The War in the Ukraine

tankphobia said:

Having seen quite a few videos over the conflict of Russians soldiers riding on top of IFV/APCs getting hit by mines and UAVs, why do they continue with this tactic? A MRAP would serve this troop transport role much better while also being somewhat protected from mines.

In the age of massed UAV usage, there's very little chance that a squad on top of a BTR or BMP will actually make it to the line of contact unscathed anyhow, so the infantry screening argument is questionable.

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Both sides are using the roof of their APC to transport troops and in the artillery heavy front it's even scarier than UAV...

Being in a BMP is certainly not good for you against mines and you can jump rapidly to get out of the zone asap if a ATGM is spotted if you are on top. But they are so noisy that spotting is more or less impossible against UAV. MRAP is interesting,it can cope with mines a bit more but anything that got hit got pummeled with mortar and artillery...

APC are getting totalled so easily that i'm not even sure that being inside, outside or in a pickup truck change the situation a lot.

In Afghanistan, canadian troops where wounded a lot with equipments in the face while hit with IED and mines... It's like a blender in there, and troops prefer not to die in a burning wreck.

tankphobia said:

Having seen quite a few videos over the conflict of Russians soldiers riding on top of IFV/APCs getting hit by mines and UAVs, why do they continue with this tactic? A MRAP would serve this troop transport role much better while also being somewhat protected from mines.

In the age of massed UAV usage, there's very little chance that a squad on top of a BTR or BMP will actually make it to the line of contact unscathed anyhow, so the infantry screening argument is questionable.

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Probably because the armour of the standard IFVs in use on both sides offers little protection against ATGMs and even FPVs.

With the squad riding up top, a hit by an ATGM or FPV will only produce a few casualties amongst the troops riding in the area immediately hit. OTOH, a squad riding in the IFV will probably all be casualties from a penetrating ATGM/FPV hit.

So this tendency for troops to ride up top seems to be a consequence of the prevalence of ATGMs and FPVs rather than being in spite of them.

Remember that IFVs are primarily meant to protect troops from small arms fire and artillery shrapnel.

Given the tiny percentage of casualties from small arms in this war, it makes sense to take a calculated risk to increase your exposure to small arms fire to boost your odds of survival against FPV and ATGM attacks so your net overall chances of survival are noticeably improved. Especially so for Russians, who enjoy artillery dominance. Maybe not so much for Ukrainians due to said Russian artillery weight of fire.

Minutes ago Macron just announced in live tv that France will sent another batch of 40 SCALP-EG missiles to Ukraine

Tam said:

Based on this and if it's true @Fighter_Bomber was a crewman of the A-50, the A-50 managed to return with @Fighter_Bomber on board. However it's likely to be in a highly damaged state, taking it out of operational status for a while. So it's a "loss".

No reports of Mi helicopters in rescue mission sortie which would point to a downing. We have rescue helicopter sorties accompanying crashes and shoot downs before.

By the way @Fighter_Bomber is saying it's friendly fire

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@Fighter_Bomber is just rambling, he has not given a real version of what happened to the A-50, while the Russian Ministry of Defense deleted its information about the loss of the A-50 due to friendly fire, it is probably not very convenient to confirm the loss of the one of their few A-50s, much less cling to the silly theory of friendly fire, which is not only ridiculous, but would make them even more ridiculous, it is assumed that all the missions of these two attacked aircraft are highly monitored and informed, this is not a fighter that has deviated from its route, these aircraft have a well-structured and pre-established route

The worst thing about the effective attack on these planes is that on the mission they did not carry a miserable escort fighter, what a mistake!...

few missions in the area for AWACS, they are sent late to carry out operations and they lose them foolishly and quickly

Sheleah said:

@Fighter_Bomber is just rambling, he has not given a real version of what happened to the A-50, while the Russian Ministry of Defense deleted its information about the loss of the A-50 due to friendly fire, it is probably not very convenient to confirm the loss of the one of their few A-50s, much less cling to the silly theory of friendly fire, which is not only ridiculous, but would make them even more ridiculous, it is assumed that all the missions of these two attacked aircraft are highly monitored and informed, this is not a fighter that has deviated from its route, these aircraft have a well-structured and pre-established route

The worst thing about the effective attack on these planes is that on the mission they did not carry a miserable escort fighter, what a mistake!...

few missions in the area for AWACS, they are sent late to carry out operations and they lose them foolishly and quickly

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He's obliged to secrecy like any soldier, so the best he can do is cryptically hint. Given the lack of any report of helicopter rescue which is often reported with every other crash and shoot down, and the lack of any deployment of rescue ship, this reinforces the notion that's there's no crash at all.

Ukrainians assumed as proof of a crash everytime something disappears in the radar, despite that an aircraft diving below the radar horizon, or releasing countermeasures that defeat the radar, can also make it disappear.

Since Ukrainian bloggers refer to @Fighter_Bomber consistently, you better be consistent then about everything he says. While other Telegram channels were sending eulogies and charities to the alleged dead crew, he makes it clear "I died yesterday", and there's no eulogy for anyone in his page.



To other things.

FAB with UMPC hits Ukrainian position in the Volchansky area.


Ukrainian Gvozdika in Kherson gets a hit by Krasnopol. Much of Kherson has become a killzone on Ukrainian artillery pieces.


Kupyansk direction. One Ukrainian tank hit by Lancet and another by Krasnopol.


Successful Geran strikes in Odessa.


Ukrainian armored vehicle gets destroyed by a Vikhr from a Ka-52.


Successful interceptions by Russian AD of Ukrainian fired MLRS and drones over Belgorod.


The 200th Brigade now striking at Ukrainian accumulations in Chasiv Yar.


Pickup used by the AFU a victim of FPV drone attack.

redion said:

Minutes ago Macron just announced in live tv that France will sent another batch of 40 SCALP-EG missiles to Ukraine

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We will see if they use them on valid targets that will help the front or if they will try to take out another derelict soviet ship or take another round against the Crimea bridge...

With the numbers they receive, they need to spend them on something that will change the situation at least a bit.

Atomicfrog said:

We will see if they use them on valid targets that will help the front or if they will try to take out another derelict soviet ship or take another round against the Crimea bridge...

With the numbers they receive, they need to spend them on something that will change the situation at least a bit.

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Should be asked tho what happened to previous batches, were they all used up and hit their targets ?

Sheleah said:

@Fighter_Bomber is just rambling, he has not given a real version of what happened to the A-50, while the Russian Ministry of Defense deleted its information about the loss of the A-50 due to friendly fire, it is probably not very convenient to confirm the loss of the one of their few A-50s, much less cling to the silly theory of friendly fire, which is not only ridiculous, but would make them even more ridiculous, it is assumed that all the missions of these two attacked aircraft are highly monitored and informed, this is not a fighter that has deviated from its route, these aircraft have a well-structured and pre-established route

The worst thing about the effective attack on these planes is that on the mission they did not carry a miserable escort fighter, what a mistake!...

few missions in the area for AWACS, they are sent late to carry out operations and they lose them foolishly and quickly

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Some optimistic Ukrainian supporters in China believe that this is a major victory for the Ukrainians, as they have successfully compressed the scope of VKS activities. This indicates that the F-16 is about to arrive in Ukraine, and with the support of NATO's command system, Ukrainians will have the ability to make VKS lose air superiority.

Of course, I think this idea is too naive. But it is obvious that Russia's decline is fully reflected in this matter.

zhangjim said:

Some optimistic Ukrainian supporters in China believe that this is a major victory for the Ukrainians, as they have successfully compressed the scope of VKS activities. This indicates that the F-16 is about to arrive in Ukraine, and with the support of NATO's command system, Ukrainians will have the ability to make VKS lose air superiority.
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Of course, I think this idea is too naive. But it is obvious that Russia's decline is fully reflected in this matter.

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Interesting how those are the only sources you ever seem to post about... Random comments from nobodies who incidentally always support "current agenda" stated by USG... But of course you think this idea is "too naive", yet you post nothing but native thoughts.

So pro Ukrainian want to believe this fighterbomber guy, you can't select just 1 word and only believe that. If they're gonna treat him as a credible source, what did he say about Ukranian losses?

A lot of hoopla over claims with no physical backing whatsoever.

Biscuits said:

Interesting how those are the only sources you ever seem to post about... Random comments from nobodies who incidentally always support "current agenda" stated by USG... But of course you think this idea is "too naive", yet you post nothing but native thoughts.

So pro Ukrainian want to believe this fighterbomber guy, you can't select just 1 word and only believe that. If they're gonna treat him as a credible source, what did he say about Ukranian losses?

A lot of hoopla over claims with no physical backing whatsoever.

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I just want to showcase the "biodiversity of the Earth".I understand that war will inevitably bring losses, but the poor performance of the Russians is surprising.
The fanaticism exhibited by Ukrainian supporters of China is beyond normal, and they are a reflection of the myth of "NATO invincibility".