The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Possibly.

The battery on the launcher is there to cool down the IR imager on the missile prior to launch. You only turn it on when you intend to fire.

The battery is replaceable, so no need to trash the (rather expensive) launcher. Unless the operator is clueless.
They probably don't have spare and the logistic is messed up big time for Ukraine forces... so they are leaving them behind in big number. The launcher have been given like candy...so they don't give a ****.
 

baykalov

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A little about the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson-Nikolaev direction. A video message from the soldiers of the 18th marine battalion of the 35th brigade, stationed near the village Bereznegovatoe, Mykolaiv region, appeared on social networks.

Ukrainian marines refused to follow the orders of the command due to heavy losses

Soldiers of the separate 18th Marine Battalion as part of the 35th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine recorded a video message to the command refusing to follow orders that lead to losses among personnel. The footage was published in the telegram channel by the former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva.

The soldiers are asking society to influence the top leadership of the battalion and brigade "for their criminal orders", to convince the command to withdraw the remnants of the battalion from the front. According to the military, they are given the task of attacking the enemy under artillery fire.

“We are suffering heavy losses in the dead and wounded. Over the past four days, according to our doctors, 80 people, and according to our data, there are much more killed and wounded, there are also missing and captured,” the Marines said.

The fighters also noted that in the four days of the offensive they could not capture a single settlement. At the same time, the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not refuse to defend their country, but they demand a different leadership that "values the life of the patriots of Ukraine."

Earlier, the military of the 3rd Battalion of the 115th Brigade also refused to carry out combat orders, including from Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, to maintain its position in Severodonetsk. They are dissatisfied with the lack of heavy equipment that could cover them. They were later sent to pre-trial detention.

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1 day ago — Joe Biden has said the US will not supply Ukraine with rockets that can reach into Russia, in an attempt to ease tensions with Moscow over the ...

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7 hours ago — Biden's statement that “We're not going to send to Ukraine rocket systems that can strike into Russia” has evoked controversy and ...

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3 hours ago — Biden said last week that the Pentagon won't send rockets that Ukraine could be used to strike targets inside Russia, Politico reported.
These articles are referring to ATACMS munitions with a range of 300km. But the HIMARS with A31A1 precision guided munition and a range of over 70km (said to be 84km) has been confirmed. This is a far superior system to Ukraines existing systems. It has over twice the range of the much vaunted M777 howitzer which was the latest and greatest only a couple weeks ago.

 

enroger

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Sure. But there aren't "thousands" of wheeled HIMARS systems. Anywhere. To produce "thousand" anything for delivery to Ukraine it would need to be the tracked M270. At most it might be "thousands" of missiles. Which would get expended quickly.
I would not say these systems would not be effective. But Russia has MLRS with similar range and accuracy like the wheeled Tornado-S with GLONASS guided rounds. And if they provided the ATACMS rounds, which it seems won't happen, then Russia has Iskander.

If I was Russia I would likely be putting a GPS jammer on Snake Island right about now.

Snake island is small enough to be saturated by dumb fire, no need for precision strikes. The only thing Russian can do is to hunt them down with air power/drones....

If only the thrust from Belarus was a thing, they don't even need to take Kviv, just close enough to base drones and artillery, they could have shut down western aid entirely
 

FADH1791

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The situation in Donbass is more tragic than I expected.

From a French military reporters in Donbass:

“The Russians will crush us”

Donbass: the anger of Ukrainian soldiers at the front

For several weeks, the Russian army has been throwing all its forces to take full control of Donbass, in the east of the country. For several days, the big city of Sievierodonestk has been continuously bombarded by Russia. In this most active part of the front, located in the Luhansk region, the Ukrainian army is on the decline. And a movement of discontent is being born among the soldiers, who complain about the lack of means and the lack of support from their hierarchy.

Installed in the heights of Lyssychansk, the soldiers of the 3rd brigade of the 20th infantry battalion are resting after returning from the front. Below, you can see the Severski Donets River, a strategic watercourse, difficult to cross and which serves as a natural barrier; farther on the columns of smoke rise above Sievierodonestk.

The Ukrainian soldiers describe it as hell on earth: “The Russians are bombing and firing mortars 24 hours a day. It’s non-stop. When you engage your men in there, after two minutes of combat, you already have plenty of wounded that you must evacuate. The new ones arrive and a few minutes later they are dead,” says a Ukrainian soldier.

unbalanced forces
According to several sources, the Ukrainians are now fighting outside the city now controlled by the Russians. Soldiers on the decline, in particular because of an imbalance of forces between the two camps. Sergeant Roman Ilchenko, 32, explains that “the Russians have artillery, armored vehicles, and their forces are five to six times greater”. Faced with this firepower, the Ukrainians note with bitterness the weaknesses of their forces.

Volodymyr Kharchuk, 33 and member of the 20th battalion recounts his last mission in which he was responsible for protecting the retreat of the airborne troops: “We only had machine guns and AK47s. RPGs from 1986. A Degtyaryov machine gun from 1943. And a Maxim machine gun from 1933. And we also have a Swedish NLAW man-portable anti-tank missile, but the battery didn't work. That's all we had." He points out that none of his men had received night vision goggles, or even binoculars. “We had to bring models from home that are usually used for hunting,” says Volodymyr Kharchuk.

The mission he describes ended badly. Once the airborne troops had been extracted, the men of the 3rd Brigade moved towards the bridge over the river, but it was destroyed. The soldiers therefore recount having had to cross on foot, fighting against a strong current. “Our equipment is heavy. So we used our ropes to be able to cross. All this under mortar fire. Our evacuation was successful. But knowing that we were on the other side of the river, the command accused us of being deserters. They threatened us with prison. While they were the ones who ordered us to leave the city, ”explains Volodymyr Kharchuk, adding that his superiors then denied having ordered them to leave Sievierodonestk.

illogical orders
A member of the same unit, Roman Ilchenko specifies that a new task has been assigned to them. Defend the last bridge connecting Sievierodonestk and Lyssychansk. An order which, for him, has no logic.

“It is officially to prevent the Russians from passing. Except that the bridge is already destroyed. It makes no sense to defend him. The Russians can attempt to cross the river anywhere else where it is shallow. My men are ready to fight, but we need equipment, and artillery. Our soldiers are not demoralized, they want to fight. But we no longer believe in our superiors,” he said bitterly. “We fight with patriotism and it is insufficient to defend against such firepower,” adds the “bat” commander.

“The Russians will crush us”
Faced with such means deployed by the Russians, the men are unanimous: Sievierodonestk is already lost and we must react at all costs. Andrei Shevchenko, a 39-year-old soldier, believes that if the Ukrainian army does not strengthen its artillery, it will not be able to do anything. “You can't fight with only AK47s. The Russians are going to crush us. They bombard us from the air, with mortars, we cannot respond with simple Kalashnikovs or short-range rocket launchers. »

So will the Ukrainian army lose the battle of Sievierodonestk? “The city is already lost,” replies the soldier with a gloomy expression. According to him, if nothing changes, the whole Donbass will sooner or later fall into Russian hands.

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I can’t imagine the Ukrainian grouping in Donbas being able to handle 30-45 more days of this. Things are starting to crack. Mentally it must be draining going through this. The French Army went through the same thing during Verdun. What saved them was the Somme Offensive by the British. I don’t see a similar Somme Offensive saving the UAF in Donbas. They are getting annihilated.
A little about the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson-Nikolaev direction. A video message from the soldiers of the 18th marine battalion of the 35th brigade, stationed near the village Bereznegovatoe, Mykolaiv region, appeared on social networks.

Ukrainian marines refused to follow the orders of the command due to heavy losses

Soldiers of the separate 18th Marine Battalion as part of the 35th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine recorded a video message to the command refusing to follow orders that lead to losses among personnel. The footage was published in the telegram channel by the former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva.

The soldiers are asking society to influence the top leadership of the battalion and brigade "for their criminal orders", to convince the command to withdraw the remnants of the battalion from the front. According to the military, they are given the task of attacking the enemy under artillery fire.

“We are suffering heavy losses in the dead and wounded. Over the past four days, according to our doctors, 80 people, and according to our data, there are much more killed and wounded, there are also missing and captured,” the Marines said.

The fighters also noted that in the four days of the offensive they could not capture a single settlement. At the same time, the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not refuse to defend their country, but they demand a different leadership that "values the life of the patriots of Ukraine."

Earlier, the military of the 3rd Battalion of the 115th Brigade also refused to carry out combat orders, including from Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, to maintain its position in Severodonetsk. They are dissatisfied with the lack of heavy equipment that could cover them. They were later sent to pre-trial detention.

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Whoever approved of this offensive should be fired. It didn’t make no sense to send these men into open terrain with with no air cover to get destroyed by Russian artillery and aerial assets. I’m pro Russian but it’s disgusting to see Kiev willing throw the lives of these men for likes and retweets on Twitter. As someone earlier pointed out Ukraine has numerical manpower superiority over the Russians in the Kherson/Nicolaev region. But Russia has the numerical superiority in armored vehicles and artillery. Air superiority is the cherry on top. So with that it was brainless to do an offensive. What Ukraine should do with their manpower advantage is turn Nicolaev into a fortress to slow down any future Russian offensive to Odessa. Instead they are falling for Russian bait to launch offensives to annihilate them. Ukraine’s military and political leadership is brainless like Austria Hungary in world war 1.
 

FriedButter

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I can’t imagine the Ukrainian grouping in Donbas being able to handle 30-45 more days of this. Things are starting to crack. Mentally it must be draining going through this. The French Army went through the same thing during Verdun. What saved them was the Somme Offensive by the British. I don’t see a similar Somme Offensive saving the UAF in Donbas. They are getting annihilated.

I heard that a Ukrainian officer reportedly said that the Russians were firing 1500 shells per day and that quite a few of those troops are experiencing shell shock. Something along the lines of how they are walking is similar to ww1 shell shock victims. Now IDK if it’s true.
 
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