The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased said:

what was the median age of Soviets in WW2 vs. median age of Ukraine now?

what about the population age distribution?

There are less than 100k 20 year old men.

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So they'll use older men. They'll use 60 year olds if they have to. Don't count on body counts to end this war.

The war will only end when one side loses the will to fight.

solarz said:

So they'll use older men. They'll use 60 year olds if they have to. Don't count on body counts to end this war.

The war will only end when one side loses the will to fight.

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Agreed.

Zelensky won't stop this madness unless he is toppled from within.

They really went ahead with mobilizing disabled people

I learned in last 10 days that one of my relatives in Western Ukraine was killed near Kupiansk, another was badly wounded there, & my neighbor is missing in action with his entire unit near Bakhmut. I was also told that all men in village where my other relatives lived were mobilized, including crippled & with disabilities. And my best friend who lived in Mariupol is still missing.

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Russia has started to retake lost ground around Verbove and Robotyne, which were some of the most notorious gains during the Ukranian offensive



Seems latest Geran drones are made of carbon fiber with a foam filling. Poster claims the foam has zinc oxide in it

solarz said:

So they'll use older men. They'll use 60 year olds if they have to. Don't count on body counts to end this war.

The war will only end when one side loses the will to fight.

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Using old men will optimise Ukraine's population structure. Young men are the most precious resource of a country and thus they must be guarded as much as possible.

As long as Ukraine uses old men then things are going to be relatively ok (albeit their military performance will further deteriorate)

Lets see how long they can protect their younger populations

Overbom said:

Using old men will optimise Ukraine's population structure. Young men are the most precious resource of a country and thus they must be guarded as much as possible.

As long as Ukraine uses old men then things are going to be relatively ok (albeit their military performance will further deteriorate)

Lets see how long they can protect their younger populations

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They have a draft since day one from ages 18-50. They're not expanding the draft to one armed and one eyed geriatrics because they suddenly realized, 2 whole years into the war, that they can use the old and disabled to meatshield the young. They're doing it to refill losses.

Unlesd you mean the below 18, there are no younger populations left.

New batch of T-90M and T-72B3M from Urals factory.


TOS used on Ukrainian landing positions on the left side of the Dniepr at Krynki.


Anothet M109 gets taken out by Lancet on the right side of the Dniepr.


Ukrainian air defense firing at Gerans over Odessa seen from a Turkish ship.


Russian Buk-M2 firing and hitting a target in the air, which was identified to be a HIMARS rocket.


Krasnopol-M2 shipped to the front line as maker fulfills it's contractual obligations on time.


Buk-M3 in Zaporozhye.


Russian FPV drone hits the nest position of a Ukrainian FPV drone crew.


FPV drones take out two Ukrainian boats in the Dniepr at the Krynki area.


Ukrainian Su-25 taken out by Russian MANPADS over Kherson. Russians also report shooting down some Baba Yagas.


Russian artillery takes out a Ukrainian pickup. Russians are willing to spend shells to kill even pickups.


Swedish Strv-122 and BgBv-120 knocked out somewhere in the front.


Another destroyed Strv-122A in a forest.


Somewhere in the death road to Rabotino, three destroyed Leopard 2R recovery vehicles.


Tornado-G doing it's work in Kupyansk region.


Russian troops reached another road of death or Ukrainian vehicle cemetery somewhere in the Northern district.

Ukraine has a problem that every next batch of soldiers after the current ones die or get disabled is that they will be of worse quality and quantity than the previous generation.

After all, they are currently mobilizing the most numerous generation before their birthrates started to drop in the past, but each next batch will be less numerous and trained/motivated.

I think everyone is overestimating the Ukrainian potential mobilization pool. Remember that the rich, the polititians, entertainers, are not going to get called up. Neither are people in crucial industries and services, like military production, power grid, railway management. People in local administration won't get a call up either, and they'll probably be able to get their "friends and family" out of getting a summons too. And then there's the big one, the fact that east of the Dnieper there's still going to be a lot of people sympathizing with the Russian cause. And as enthusiastic the Ukrainian government might be publically, about how they'll have Russians killling Russian sympathizers, I doubt it's really going down that way. I can't imagine units filled with Russian sympathizers would be terribly loyal to the Ukrainian leadership sending them to die.

If I were Russia, I would aim for recovery of Donestk/Luhansk in it's entirety, then negotiate an exchange of occupied Kherson/Zapo for Ukrainian neutrality from NATO. This isn't satisfactory as Ukraine will still be armed by NATO, but declared end to NATO ascension process would be a win for Russia, and secure Putin's legacy of stopping NATO expansion in Ukraine and his legacy as 'gatherer of Russian-speaking peoples' in DPR/LNR.

If I were Ukraine, I would aim to extend Western aid/support for as long as possible, including Western mercenaries to extend manpower/skills shortages. I don't have high hopes of Ukraine to recover occupied territories, and Ukraine will have no chance at NATO ascension either, so it's best to eventually enter negotiations with Russia at some point in time in future, cede DNR/LNR regions, recover other territories if possible, then pledge neutrality between CSTO and NATO.