The War in the Ukraine

tank3487 said:

1) There is Arachamia interview that confirmed that during Istanbul peace talks main Russian demand was neutral status for Ukraine (not joining NATO, but Russia was ok with Ukraine joining EU). One of the main reason that deal had died was due to Boris Johnson visit to Kiev. The whole thing was received badly by Ukrainian public, because losses during this year were massive and situation are even worse than year ago.

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Boy the Russians sure are dumb. Given the EU's defense policy plus the fact that most EU members are in NATO, Ukraine in the EU would be the same thing as them being in NATO.

Here it is straight from Article 42 of the Treaty on European Union:
7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

There is also this:
1. The common security and defence policy shall be an integral part of the common foreign and security policy. It shall provide the Union with an operational capacity drawing on civilian and military assets. The Union may use them on missions outside the Union for peace-keeping, conflict prevention and strengthening international security in accordance with the principles of the United Nations Charter. The performance of these tasks shall be undertaken using capabilities provided by the Member States.

This clause is vague enough that the EU could just start a war with someone as long as they framed it as a preventative war. Just like the Russians are doing in Ukraine. i.e. the Russians are claiming they are protecting the Russian speaking population of Ukraine, and ensuring their own safety.

Better than Leopard 1 A5 at leaset

Shadow_Whomel said:

Better than Leopard 1 A5 at leaset
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The base armour would be very bad though

gelgoog said:

Boy the Russians sure are dumb. Given the EU's defense policy plus the fact that most EU members are in NATO, Ukraine in the EU would be the same thing as them being in NATO.

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It is not that simple. No one stop EU to declare war right now due to Ukraine. Key question are permanent troops presence, military bases etc etc.

Thing is. Both Russia and Ukraine say exact same thing. Military neutral status of Ukraine was key point of negotiations. Which do confirm that whole war is about NATO expansion.

Ukrainian TG Channel reports / admits RF gains in the industrial zone - Avdeedvka
"Industrial zone Avdeevka

The enemy advanced into the industrial zone and holiday village in a westerly direction. From the field they report fighting along Yasinovatsky Lane."


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Ukrainian media confirmed information about the taking of the Avdeevka industrial zone under the control of the Russian army.

Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been accrediting it since 2014. Long-term fortifications were erected here.

The video shows the departure of the last Ukrainian military from the industrial zone.


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Sergey Kolyasnikov:

Avdeevskaya industrial area is behind us. Just look at the height map to understand how important this position is.

Ukraine not only acknowledged the loss of the industrial zone, but began a hysterical search for those to blame. And the main one seems to have been found:

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny does not have a war plan for 2024 and therefore must resign. Yes, the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was unable to provide a plan for 2024. Neither big nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they needed to take away at least 20 thousand citizens per month (c) Deputy Head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, People's Deputy from the Servant of the People Maryana Bezuglaya

Footage of Russian Su-30SM and Su-24MR aircraft patrolling the waters of the Crimean coast and attacking a detected naval drone of the Ukrainian army has been published. The video shows a Su-30SM aircraft firing a 30mm GSh 30-1 aircraft cannon at a Ukrainian army naval drone. The firing range of the GSh 30-1 aircraft cannon against surface and ground targets is up to 1800 meters, the rate of fire is 1500 rounds per minute. The model of the Ukrainian maritime drone and the date of the attack are unknown.

Could be a good incentive for them to start looking into smaller missiles to handle such targets.

Abandoned T-64BV gets a grenade thrown down it's hatch. This happens to vehicles abandoned in the grey zone, where you don't want the other side to retrieve it while being too dangerous to retrieve it on your own.


A T-64BV gets knocked out by an FPV drone.


Knocked out Ukrainian BREM-1 that failed to recover ditched Marder.


Russian sapper units use drones to help demine a retaken area.


White Wolves special forces unit with captured US Bulldog grenade launcher.


500,000 subscribers in Vrimea are without power as the Black Sea is the focus of a massive storm.


VDV stormed a Ukrainian stronghold and took four prisoners with little resistance.


Storm knocked out a boiler and 400 settlements around Odessa are without power.


Explosions over Smolensk region as Ukrainian UAV attacks was intercepted by Russian AD.


Russian counterattack at Rabotino by elements of the 136th Brigade and the 291st Regiment.


Battles in Kleeshevka as Russian special forces hit vehicles and Ukrainian positions.


Strikes on the right side of the Dniepr against Ukrainian deployment points. Early data alleges there were more than 70 Ukrainian soldiers in them.


AFU truck with ammo hit on the right side of the Dniepr via a Giasint-S howitzer.


Another version of a modernized T-62M.


Upgraded BMP-1 with 30mm gun, automatic grenade launchers and two ATGM tubes. Says Ukrainian on the comment but this appears to be wrong as it and the soldiers lack Ukrainian markings.


Rare pic of a 2S31 Vena self propelled 120mm mortar in the front.


Bradley damaged and it's two TOW missiles got pierced from fragments from a tank projectile. This at Avdiivka.


Russian EW anti drone kits to be installed on vehicles.


Captured and deactivated Ukrainian ground mine drones.

tank3487 said:

Yeah. And there is reason why they pass ASAP new laws and decrees that make mobilization even harsher than before.



A lot. NK have the insane number of artillery systems (10 000-20 000 by different estimations, which is a lot) and due to global pressure rely only on its own production of ammo for them. Rumors from different sides are that NK would provide 10kk of ammo for 122mm and 152mm as initial part of the deal. It is definitely enough to conduct war in current tempo for 1-2 years.

Russia has excess grain due to record harvests this and previous years (2nd highest and 1st highest in Russian history), plus new territories are significant grain production land. Russia had signed deal of grain supply to NK. So the deal itself is definitely win-win for both sides.

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wow didn't know russia had a good harvest. it probably doesn't take much to satisfy DPRK's grain needs to 2025. DPRK also likely has enough shells to keep russia going for all of 2024.

this works in kim's favor in a big way, since he doesn't have to rely on his farmers for grain production, he strengthens his grip on power. easier to control arms industry than a bunch of farmers especially when he controls the food source. kim ought to offer some of his labor to build a defensive wall all along belarus/russia's western frontier once the war is over, just to keep the cooperation going a bit longer.

Soldier30 said:

Footage of Russian Su-30SM and Su-24MR aircraft patrolling the waters of the Crimean coast and attacking a detected naval drone of the Ukrainian army has been published. The video shows a Su-30SM aircraft firing a 30mm GSh 30-1 aircraft cannon at a Ukrainian army naval drone. The firing range of the GSh 30-1 aircraft cannon against surface and ground targets is up to 1800 meters, the rate of fire is 1500 rounds per minute. The model of the Ukrainian maritime drone and the date of the attack are unknown.

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Stealthflanker said:

Could be a good incentive for them to start looking into smaller missiles to handle such targets.

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I have been thinking the same thing for quite some time. Their fixed wing aviation needs smaller guided missiles. It is just too expensive to use the 250 kg warhead missiles like the Kh-38 on small targets like this. At the same time the unguided rockets they have are too innacurate against fast moving vehicles and cannot operate outside the range of enemy MANPADS. Maybe they could adapt either the Khrizantema or the LMUR helicopter anti-tank guided missiles to aviation use much like the UK did with the Brimstone.