The War in the Ukraine

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supersnoop

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Temstar said:
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I remember reading about such private armies prior to the start of the war back in Feb when I was looking up Ukrainian army strength. It looks like there's still plenty of that going on.
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This is a really loaded article, but a friend of mine had encouraged me to look some of this up even before the war had started.
He had told me Kolomoisky is one of the richest Oligarchs who commands a vast militia.
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Note this article is from 2015!
Essentially all of these oligarchs have their own private armies. For now they have a common foe in Russia, but this was not always the case.

I would not get too far into the politics for obvious reasons, but we can see how the general perception of groups like Azov have shifted a lot.

Back on topic, the question is how many of these groups are formally under the command of the Ukrainian government? Are the militias doing heavy fighting (certainly Azov is)?
 
4Runner

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tamsen_ikard said:
My Assesment of the Ukraine War after 2 months:

Russia cannot fight a war against 1 million strong army supplied by the whole NATO with just 200K soldiers.

They are having serious trouble just to advance 1-2 miles in Donbass due to lack of manpower. No matter powerful and sophisticated Russia is, they cannot take ground while outnumbered 3-4 times.

People seems to have forgotten what made Soviet Union such a strong military power. They spent 30% of their GDP on the Military and had 5-6 million troops under active duty at all times. They won WW2 with 12 million strong Army.

Even US had 700K troops during the first Gulf war against the Iraq Army. And they had the advantage of being able to use 600+ modern fighter jets from Air force plus several hundred jets from the navy. They also had the advantage of huge load of PGMs.

Russian Air Force is tiny by comparison. Its actual fighter force is like 800 planes. Most of their Air force is just transporters. Much smaller than China. They are probably using about 100-200 planes for the Ukraine fight while keeping the rest for a war with Nato. That's why Russian Air Force presence seems so low in this war. They also lack PGM to bomb Ukraine positions from high altitude and speed, thus counteracting air defense.

Ukraine has the same tech that Soviet Union had in terms of ground force. So they have a vast tank and Artillery army. Now they are also getting ATGM and drones from Nato. They also have lots of S-300 level Air defense which are one of the best ones in the world. Combine that with mass mobilization of millions of troops. They also have literally unlimited amount of Money coming from the US and EU with a combined GDP of 40 trillion dollars. Unlimited resources and supplies.


The situation is hopeless for Russia unless they Mass mobilize several million troops. They do have thousands of tanks and artillery in reserve thanks to Soviet investments. So, if they do mobilize, they can still win this.

Otherwize, as the time goes on, their troops will be outnumbered as Ukraine loads up with more and more men and weapons. Russia will lose if they don't mobilize right away.
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You might as well say it straightforward that you are on the NATO side. Your FUD here is similar to the western MSM propaganda on this war to this point.

With boots on the ground, Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing. As I said million times (to use your propaganda keyword) before, this is a protracted war of attrition by design. The greatest judgement (or bet) that Putin wedged on this war thus far is that NATO will not put boots on the ground. Heck, NATO cannot even enforce any no-fly-zone of sort over the Ukraine airspace. And that bet has been paying off for Putin handsomely.

Another 2 months and you will see the Russians host their propaganda show further toward west.

Another 2 months and you will see EU crying dady.

Please don't make this forum another reddit. Thank you!
 
Temstar

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supersnoop said:
This is a really loaded article, but a friend of mine had encouraged me to look some of this up even before the war had started.
He had told me Kolomoisky is one of the richest Oligarchs who commands a vast militia.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Note this article is from 2015!
Essentially all of these oligarchs have their own private armies. For now they have a common foe in Russia, but this was not always the case.

I would not get too far into the politics for obvious reasons, but we can see how the general perception of groups like Azov have shifted a lot.

Back on topic, the question is how many of these groups are formally under the command of the Ukrainian government? Are the militias doing heavy fighting (certainly Azov is)?
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This is why even if Zelensky wants to he can't negotiate a truce. He'll be branded by a traitor and hanging from a lamp post within the hour and then you will have all of these people claiming to be the one true champion of the people and before you know it you have a warlord era.
 
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