The War in the Ukraine

pmc

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So it was a repeat of the INS Hanit incident?.

it is just analysis. unless Ukraine release missile volleys video like Russian often release. we have to go with Russian explanation.
reliability of systems are tested. any old or sub par quality missile can easily fail on launch. even multi TB-2 flights will show competence.
so far Ukraine hasnt proven they can make long range multi-shot engagement.

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Stealthflanker

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So it was a repeat of the INS Hanit incident?.

Probably even worse. There was apparently leaked report on Moskva readiness. This is internal report which was dated on 10th of February 2022


The highlight :
1.S-300FM have problem
2.Problem in Osa
3.Problem in MR-123 radar which controls the AK-630.
4.EMC problem where her MR-800 radar interfere with a Satcom, seems the Satcom is new addition and installed with disregard or miscalculated Electromagnetic interference consideration.

It's so sad and kinda infuriating. like how she can even be in warzone in such condition in the first place. She's scheduled to be retired and not modernized soon, fine. But she cant defend herself because of such technical issue.. that's disrespectful to her crews.
 

sheogorath

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Probably even worse. There was apparently leaked report on Moskva readiness. This is internal report which was dated on 10th of February 2022


The highlight :
1.S-300FM have problem
2.Problem in Osa
3.Problem in MR-123 radar which controls the AK-630.
4.EMC problem where her MR-800 radar interfere with a Satcom, seems the Satcom is new addition and installed with disregard or miscalculated Electromagnetic interference consideration.

It's so sad and kinda infuriating. like how she can even be in warzone in such condition in the first place. She's scheduled to be retired and not modernized soon, fine. But she cant defend herself because of such technical issue.. that's disrespectful to her crews.


Wow, thats horrible and it reminds me of how they handled the mess of the rescue of the Kursk. Seems Russia inherited nothing of the USSR's fighting competency.
 

Richard Santos

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Wow, thats horrible and it reminds me of how they handled the mess of the rescue of the Kursk. Seems Russia inherited nothing of the USSR's fighting competency.
the fighting competency of USSR, especially in the style of warfare seem in Ukraine, where mass is unavailable and fighting style center around relative small maneuvering units that must adapt quickly to highly fluid tactical and logistical situations, was likely highly overrated to start with.

Only some of the problems the russians exhibited in Ukraine can be attributed to post soviet decline and failure to adapt to post cold war evolution in fundamental war fighting environment, Much of the problems actually reflect fundamental structural deficiencies inherited systen implemented by the soviet union
 
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Zichan

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the fighting competency of USSR, especially in the style of warfare seem in Ukraine, where mass is unavailable and fighting style center around relative small maneuvering units that must adapt quickly to highly fluid tactical and logistical situations, was likely highly overrated to start with.

Only some of the problems the russians exhibited in Ukraine can be attributed to post soviet decline and failure to adapt to post cold war evolution in fundamental war fighting environment, Much of the problems actually reflect fundamental structural deficiencies inherited systen implemented by the soviet union
The Soviets would’ve steamrolled present day Ukraine.

In summer of 1945, it took the Soviets 11 days to annihilate a 1 million strong Japanese-Korean army and occupy Manchuko and North Korea. That’s a theatre the size of entire Western Europe and less than a third of time it took the Americans to conquer tiny Iwo Jima defended by a force 50 times smaller.
 

sheogorath

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the fighting competency of USSR, especially in the style of warfare seem in Ukraine, where mass is unavailable and fighting style center around relative small maneuvering units that must adapt quickly to highly fluid tactical and logistical situations, was likely highly overrated to start with.

Only some of the problems the russians exhibited in Ukraine can be attributed to post soviet decline and failure to adapt to post cold war evolution in fundamental war fighting environment, Much of the problems actually reflect fundamental structural deficiencies inherited systen implemented by the soviet union

I really doubt the Soviet Union would have stuck to a limited sized operation like this one and would have certainly avoided the whole "brotherly war" without disabling the entirety of the Ukranian communications infraestructure.

Russian tactics aren't even a half-assed attempt at soviet-derivative combined arms tactics. You have tanks going into areas, alone without artillery and air support. That's unthinkable in soviet doctrine.
 
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