The War in the Ukraine

Leopard 2A6 ambushes 2 Russian T-72s of unknown modification and scores a direct hit on the side of one with an HE shell. Then both T-72s retreat intact and under their own power. Probably the hit tank had its sights and sensors knocked out or they didn't know where the fire was coming from exactly.

And this is the culmination of all that propaganda and hype. The height of the Leo 2's success in the Ukraine so far that we know of. Finally, a victory. Damaging a single T-72 and forcing it to retreat for field repairs.

blackjack21 said:

Leopard 2A6 ambushes 2 Russian T-72s of unknown modification and scores a direct hit on the side of one with an HE shell. Then both T-72s retreat intact and under their own power. Probably the hit tank had its sights and sensors knocked out or they didn't know where the fire was coming from exactly.

And this is the culmination of all that propaganda and hype. The height of the Leo 2's success in the Ukraine so far that we know of. Finally, a victory. Damaging a single T-72 and forcing it to retreat for field repairs.

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Based on the video, it seems as though two separate events were spliced together to make it look like a tank on tank engagement occurred. The shapes of the intersection's roads and glaring differences in the amount of trees on the side of the roads and road qualities between the videos, along with the explosion of the HE round at 0:05. While it is possible that the HE round explosion at 0:05 was targetting infantry and that the Leopard later engaged the T-72 at a farther distance with a subsqeuent round, there isnt enough evidence for that. All in all, those two spliced videos arent enough to prove that the T-72 - Leopard 2 engagement occurred.

blackjack21 said:

Leopard 2A6 ambushes 2 Russian T-72s of unknown modification and scores a direct hit on the side of one with an HE shell. Then both T-72s retreat intact and under their own power. Probably the hit tank had its sights and sensors knocked out or they didn't know where the fire was coming from exactly.

And this is the culmination of all that propaganda and hype. The height of the Leo 2's success in the Ukraine so far that we know of. Finally, a victory. Damaging a single T-72 and forcing it to retreat for field repairs.

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I'm not sure what you are expecting, there are only 71 leopards given, compared against hundreds/thousands of t72 derivatives fielded by each side. I can only really recall a handful of tank-on-tank combat video from them this entire conflict, so its only natural that footage of any western tank would be scarce.

Deino said:

Agreed ... I was on the Autobahn back home while typing this; so sorry:

For the first one concerning cluster munition use by Russian Forces, I think this is in fact a fact as undeniable as the sun raises in the East or as if someone would generally question the use of soldiers in this war.

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Collected remnants of Russian cluster munition rockets that were used to attack the city of Kharkiv, at a storage area in Kharkiv, Ukraine, December 22, 2022. © 2022 Evgeniy Maloletka / AP

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... and there is even a separate Wiki-site on this:

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Concerning the second claim I have indeed issues, but similar to that I sometimes cannot instantly refute claims posted by Minnie Chan and the SCMP, this site - aka "Lord Bedo" - is well known as being to put it politely a not very much credible source. But I will check.

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Cluster ammunitions have been used from both side right at the beginning of the war with Russian smerch and Ukrainian Tochka...Don't know why people are arguing about that.

With the amount of ordonnances, antitank mines, personnel mines laying all over the place, cluster ammunitons are just adding up on the pile. The mostly static front is at least diminishing somewhat the worse area but damn, poor Ukrainians/Russians that will live there for decades after the conflict.

A US former marine who "volunteered" in the Ukraine gave this interview, he trained the Nazi "Right Sector". What's funnier is that he's a black man.

Some revelations:
The memes about Ukrainians being nazis are true. Swastikas and Nazi patches everywhere.
The Ukrainian unit he was training would start every morning saying "slava Nazi"
In the end he gets told he can't leave the base or have his own car, probably because he's a black man.
In the end leaves the Right Sector and joins a "50-50 unit" - according to him foreign mercs use the term to describe high risk units that suffer 50% casualty rates
Foreign mercs don't get paid what they are promised. If they complain they get told they will be sent on mine clearing duties on foot (LOL)
The Ukrainian military is completely fractured, with rival militias. He says if the Russians somehow withdrew today, he thinks the fighting would continue among them. "A group of rival militias wearing the same uniform".
Talks about how Ukrainians were cruel to their own people, doesn't even want to think about how they treated Russian PoWs.
Endemic corruption. Says they had to lock up their gear to stop their own commanders from stealing from them.
Talks about how poor Ukrainian tactics are, if only they listened to him they would do much better. Sounds very conceited here. One of the things he suggests is to treat the Geneva Conventions as the Geneva suggestions.

Probably the most candid merc interview so far. All in all he is pretty stupid to be admitting to all this stuff on camera.

MOSCOW, 3 August. /TASS/. Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev cited data from the Ministry of Defense, according to which, from January 1 to the present, a total of more than 231,000 people have been accepted for contract work.

"According to the Ministry of Defense, from January 1 to August 3, that is, today of the current year, a total of more than 231,000 people were accepted for the contract," he cited statistics.

The system of selection for service under a contract in the Russian Federation has been successfully adapted to the conditions of the Northern Military District, Medvedev said at a meeting on the issues of understaffing of the RF Armed Forces.

“The task remains the same - to make contract service as prestigious as possible. To this end, organizational, economic, social, and technological decisions have been made in recent months. it is less important that it was possible to significantly improve the social security of servicemen and their families," Medvedev said.

He recalled that a one-time payment was established for contractors, credit holidays were introduced and their jobs were maintained for the period of service, "although it is still necessary to monitor what is happening in this area." "The imbalance in the amount of salaries of mobilized and contract soldiers has also been eliminated. Regional incentive and compensation payments have been established in all regions of the country," Medvedev continued. "The results of these and other measures are obvious," he concluded.

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Since January 1 of this year, about 280 thousand people have been accepted for service in the RF Armed Forces. This was stated by Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev. According to him, they all signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

I am meeting with the heads of the subjects of the federation in person, bearing in mind the importance of this work on the resupplying of the armed forces with contract servicemen. According to the Ministry of Defense, since January 1, about 280 thousand people have been accepted into the ranks of the armed forces, some of them are people who were in the reserve, some of them are volunteers, other categories - said Dmitry Medvedev.

Recall that the mass start of the recruitment of contract servicemen in the ranks of the Russian army was announced at the beginning of this year. As emphasized in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the RF Armed Forces needed to recruit 300 thousand people. They were supposed to strengthen the personnel of the Russian group, which is participating in a special military operation in Ukraine.

Recruitment of those wishing to enter the military service under the contract is carried out in all regions of the country. Recruits are paid a one-time payment of 195 thousand rubles. In addition, monthly payments from 204 thousand rubles are provided for the participants of the SVO.

We add that now the units of the Russian group are successfully repelling the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian army in the Zaporozhye region and the DPR. At the same time, Russian units are conducting offensive operations in the LPR and the Kharkov region, approaching Kupyansk. In the confrontation with the army of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer heavy losses in personnel and equipment .

Russia claims Ukraine loses 5 to 10 times than they do and Ukraine claims the same vice versa. However, I simply look at who is getting thrown into white rape vans to get sent to the front and which side is volunteering themselves into active service with a hot war going on. I think the side that is volunteering themselves into active duty wouldn't do so if Oryx was right about their claims. We also seen like one or two T-90s captured or destroyed and there are several hundred T-90Ms and the rest being T-72B3M amounting to 1500 tanks by the end of this year. However we still see T-72s T-80s battling challengers and leos with soon to be Abrams I will believe Oryx with their vehicle claims if Russia starts throwing T-90Ms early in the operation than throwing them later for a planned major offensive against Ukraine

Four VDV paratroopers captured eleven Ukrainian soldiers (they volunteered to surrender.) A pair of AFU soldiers led the paratroopers to the trench where the other soldiers are.


Spartan burns in the Orekhiv front.


Destroyed Stryker in the Orekhiv front.



Knocked out AFU BMP-1 towards Rabotino.


ATGM knocks out M113 in the same area.


The AFU was conducting a rotation when the 9th MR Regiment interrupted.


Russia will resume production of T-80 tanks. The type seems popular.


FPV drone attacks on Russian tanks from the tank POV. Not even a scratch.


AFU Grad knocked out by Lancet.


AFU communication tower knocked out in Sumy region.


Captured grenade launchers from the Azov Battalion after a failed attack.

hey folks.

been busy. I have a rather large family to take care of now and work has been a little nuts. ok, more nuts than a squirrel can handle. I did a speed run through the thread since just after Prigozhin's run at Moscow. You guys remain a hoot.

Abominable said:

Some revelations:

The Ukrainian military is completely fractured, with rival militias. He says if the Russians somehow withdrew today, he thinks the fighting would continue among them. "A group of rival militias wearing the same uniform".

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Abominable said:

Talks about how poor Ukrainian tactics are, if only they listened to him they would do much better. Sounds very conceited here. One of the things he suggests is to treat the Geneva Conventions as the Geneva suggestions.

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If the Ukrainians are so fractured and have terrible tactics, why isn't Russia exactly crushing the Ukrainians again? I mean, the Ukrainians have pushed past Robotyne and nearing Verbove. Today, they pushed into Optyne: russian bloggers stating the Ukrainian took it all...which I would be surprised about.

This is the perfect weather for the Russians to roll out that massive - ahem - tank army and crush that fractured Ukrainian army. Yet, they do not. I've come around to the idea that Russian cannot. The attack on the Lugansk front feels far, far more like an attempt to relieve pressure on the Zaporizhia front.

A more general question for the people in the thread: when do we think we will be able to tell the war is in the end game? I mean prior to the diplomats publicly sitting a table. A Ukrainian flag over Sevastopol doesn't count either as the war would definitely be over at that point. A Russian one over Kiev would be the same equivalent, so no calling that. So, what sign - earlier than the blatant ones - would show the war is nearing the end?


(@james smith esq welcome back. If outright Ukraine wins, tell me where to ship the poison of your choice)

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LawLeadsToPeace said:

Based on the video, it seems as though two separate events were spliced together to make it look like a tank on tank engagement occurred. The shapes of the intersection's roads and glaring differences in the amount of trees on the side of the roads and road qualities between the videos, along with the explosion of the HE round at 0:05. While it is possible that the HE round explosion at 0:05 was targetting infantry and that the Leopard later engaged the T-72 at a farther distance with a subsqeuent round, there isnt enough evidence for that. All in all, those two spliced videos arent enough to prove that the T-72 - Leopard 2 engagement occurred.

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It's from a Ukrainian blog. Maybe you should ask the blogger.

Here is an example of a spliced video, usually from an FPV drone and a 3rd POV drone. This is crazy footage when a Ukrainian FPV drone attacks this Russian car, and the driver steps on the gas and escapes it from in an action movie style despite the FPV drone detonating from a narrow miss with the car literally emerging out from the smoke full speed ahead.

anzha said:

hey folks.

been busy. I have a rather large family to take care of now and work has been a little nuts. ok, more nuts than a squirrel can handle. I did a speed run through the thread since just after Prigozhin's run at Moscow. You guys remain a hoot.



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If the Ukrainians are so fractured and have terrible tactics, why isn't Russia exactly crushing the Ukrainians again? I mean, the Ukrainians have pushed past Robotyne and nearing Verbove. Today, they pushed into Optyne: russian bloggers stating the Ukrainian took it all...which I would be surprised about.

This is the perfect weather for the Russians to roll out that massive - ahem - tank army and crush that fractured Ukrainian army. Yet, they do not. I've come around to the idea that Russian cannot. The attack on the Lugansk front feels far, far more like an attempt to relieve pressure on the Zaporizhia front.

A more general question for the people in the thread: when do we think we will be able to tell the war is in the end game? I mean prior to the diplomats publicly sitting a table. A Ukrainian flag over Sevastopol doesn't count either as the war would definitely be over at that point. A Russian one over Kiev would be the same equivalent, so no calling that. So, what sign - earlier than the blatant ones - would show the war is nearing the end?


(@james smith esq welcome back. If outright Ukraine wins, tell me where to ship the poison of your choice)

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Err... Verbove is not behind Rabotino, it's east from it. It's actually going further away from Tokmak.