The War in the Ukraine

Tam said:

Destroyed AFU M88A2 Hercules in Zaporozhye. This is an armored recovery vehicle if you don't know.

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It had to be recovered with two other M88A2's.

Seems like an unnecessary risk for a burnt out husk unless they are so obssessed about the PR aspect of the war that they'd risk equipment to avoid having the hull paraded in Patriot Park

Atomicfrog said:

If it's true and they really send small successive waves of soldier, why they do even try ? Not enough troop transport to carry soldiers to the front and they don't want to let them still long enough to build up a real punch ?

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NYT recently put out an article that Ukraine has become severely casualty averse, and this was one of the aspects to blame for failure of the offensive as the NATO plan revolved around throwing walls of bodies against Russian positions.

On the cost of funding the Ukraine war, from the American perspective:

The World Bank has done a

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on reconstruction needs, based on data from the first year of the war (February 2022 to February 2023). The Bank says that Ukraine needs $411 billion for reconstruction over a ten-year period.

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Regarding reconstruction effort tho.. It's kinda Russia's burden be it their victory or defeat.

Russian Victory means that they have to rebuild what's destroyed, reorganize government and then pay their debt. If they got defeated, then the Ukraine and their Western partner will force them to do so.

Stealthflanker said:

Regarding reconstruction effort tho.. It's kinda Russia's burden be it their victory or defeat.

Russian Victory means that they have to rebuild what's destroyed, reorganize government and then pay their debt. If they got defeated, then the Ukraine and their Western partner will force them to do so.

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I'd imagine Chinese contractors and loans will be used a lot in either case...

tygyg1111 said:

I'd imagine Chinese contractors and loans will be used a lot in either case...

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That's probably the case along with Russian's own contractor with Russian victory. Otherwise it would be something like US approach to Afghan, US-EU contractors but with Russian war reparation money. I would expect Ukraine to follow US anti China rhetoric.

Stealthflanker said:

Regarding reconstruction effort tho.. It's kinda Russia's burden be it their victory or defeat.

Russian Victory means that they have to rebuild what's destroyed, reorganize government and then pay their debt. If they got defeated, then the Ukraine and their Western partner will force them to do so.

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Lol like US was forced to rebuild Afghanistan after losing? I don't think so. If they really have to gtfo they'll just leave the rubble and take whatever they can take.

Biscuits said:

Lol like US was forced to rebuild Afghanistan after losing? I don't think so. If they really have to gtfo they'll just leave the rubble and take whatever they can take.

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Technically they already did as long as their occupation. When they finally leave, it's already done. Their legacy however is beyond the scope of this thread.

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Topics on what to do after the war ends is important because well, those rubbles wont rebuilt by themselves, nor the mines or XOD that wont clear themselves. Those Ukrainian debts etc also have to go somewhere.

Biscuits said:

Lol like US was forced to rebuild Afghanistan after losing? I don't think so. If they really have to gtfo they'll just leave the rubble and take whatever they can take.

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yes for sure since the Russians rebuilt everything when the left in the same way to Syria and now Ukraine.

Anyway, let’s concentrate on the military aspects and do not divert into politics

AFU Su-25 shot down over Kherson region with photo and geolocation.



Tor-M2 shooting down AFU drones, said to be US Switchblades.


Bradley hit by ATGM at Rabotino.


AFU truck hit by D-30 howitzer.


Krasnopol destroys AFU mortar nest.


Wave of 42 Mujin 5 Pro drones attacked Crimea, 9 were shot down, 33 were jammed by EW and sent crashing or landing.


Converted S-200 rocket from AFU intercepted by Russian AD at the Kaluga region.


Bradley taken out by FPV drone, probably at Rabotino.


FPV drone hits an AFU tank.


Bradley tries to get to the southern part of Rabotino and hit by ATGM.


Two AFU vehicles hit by artillery of the 68th Army Corp at the Ugledar direction.


AFU tank at Rabotino hit by Krasnopol.

Uki Buk AD hit by lancet

Ka 52 in action hit a couple of UKI APC