The War in the Ukraine

Intrepid

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Around the 5 minute he quotes a Ukrainian "Starlink is now being jammed by a new Electronic warfare system"
If true this is going to hurt. No more NATO tactical screens.
This is not new news, it has been going on for a long time ... at least half a year. SpaceX has also temporarily switched off the signal along the front or for objects moving faster than 100 km.

And transmitting with a StarLink terminal has meant giving away your position to Russian reconnaissance since the beginning of this year.
 

Tam

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Ukrainian ammo depot hit at Belopolye in the Sumy region.

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Ukrainian BMP hit by ATGM at Kupyansk.

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Footage with two Ukrainian BMP and T-80BV destroyed.

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Destroyed MaxxPro at south Donetsk.

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Destroyed M109.

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S-300 missile misses Iskander and lands on a building at Krivoy Rog.

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FABs with UMPC strike at Ukrainian positions in south Donetsk.the

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Krasnopol hits a Ukrainian tank near Rabotino courtesy of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division.

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The Iron Helmets shell Ukrainian positions in Kherson.

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HighGround

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As the attacking party Ukraine has the initiative to choose where to concentrate its artillery resources. This allows them to achieve localized artillery superiority despite Russia's major advantage in overall shell production, at the cost of long term sustainability. So that is probably true.

In terms of attrition tbh I don't know how Koffman figures that. Maybe Russian barrel losses are more substantial than I've seen, but that's the only category where they could realistically have higher total losses in the past 2 months.

I am dumbfounded why Ukrainian command chooses to continue pursuing the Robotyne axis instead of fully committing to the ledge further east. They have used up almost half the allotted time before the fall rains and yet continue to split their forces.

I'm a big fan of Kofman and Lee, but I take their estimates and impressions with a grain of salt.

I think that they are by far the most reasonable and accurate analysts from the West when it comes to this war, but they are still from the West (as am I, just to make it clear, I live in America). They still don't veer into wrong-think, and present a picture of Ukrainian superiority.

I think it is possible that Ukraine has favorable attrition (particularly in Bakhmut) but I don't think it's very likely.

Some other comments, like the supposed superiority of Ukrainian infantry over Russian infantry. I find that questionable. Sure, some Russian conscripts have almost no training. However, the quality of this force varies. The most funded and elite volunteer/conscript units are clearly put through lengthy training before deployment. The level of troop quality clearly varies depending on where the units come from.

By contrast, as Kofman and Lee describes, Ukrainian conscripts are taken off the streets or they volunteer. The most elite units get their pick of conscripts. The level of training is not well-described. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that there is almost no training given to conscripts. Aside from that, some 18,000 troops were given NATO training for several weeks, though there are obviously problems with that training as well.

On the balance, I am very dis-inclined to believe that Ukrainians are inherently better at infantry action or that their attrition ratio is enviable. Again, it is certainly possible, but I find it highly unlikely.

What is most likely happening, is that Kofman and Lee are being fed information by Ukrainians, that Ukrainians want them to know. This'll be a combination of anecdotes and beliefs that's a mixture of accurate/fictional. It'll also probably come from many junior officers who are unlikely to see the bigger picture (doubt that Syrski personally met with Kofman to discuss the situation). I'm sure that Junior officer from an airborne brigade thinks Russians are shit at infantry actions.

Well yeah, if his elite unit, full of the best conscripts with the best physical condition and the best training, regularly destroys the most expendable Russian units in trenches, I'm sure that's the impression he has from the whole war. I'm sure he thinks that his supporting artillery company is the best in the army, but have they ever gone head to head against Kaskad, who have routinely bested Ukrainian crews?
 

gelgoog

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Some other comments, like the supposed superiority of Ukrainian infantry over Russian infantry. I find that questionable. Sure, some Russian conscripts have almost no training. However, the quality of this force varies. The most funded and elite volunteer/conscript units are clearly put through lengthy training before deployment. The level of troop quality clearly varies depending on where the units come from.
They always make it look like the citizens the Russians call have no prior experience or training. But in Russia men go through military service for one year. And the government is not calling up people who did not do their military service. Given the amount of conflicts Russia has been in, including Syria, Georgia, and Chechnya, more than a couple of these people being called up have prior combat experience as well. The Second Chechen War ended in 2009. Not that long ago. The other conflicts were even more recent.

It is also pretty clear the Russians put the people they called up through an extensive re-training period which probably was on average like 6 months.

In Ukraine men also go through military service. And Ukraine rotated lots of them through Donbass over the past 8 years. People talk as if the Russians have hordes of soldiers vs Ukraine. But the truth is Ukraine would have been the second largest army in NATO when the conflict started, right after the US Army, had they been in NATO to begin with. But the thing is, those troops which had experience fighting in Donbass have started to run out, Ukraine is now using soldiers from its 3rd wave of mobilization. The next, 4th wave of mobilization, will be troops with no Donbass combat experience at all. At the same time to ensure surprise the Russians attacked with a 2:1 numerical disparity in terms of troops in favor of the Ukrainians last year, but right now it is going more like 1:1. And it is going to keep getting worse for Ukraine as time passes.

It remains to be seen if then NATO will further escalate by sending in troops from Poland or whatever. If the Poles do this, then like I said before, I suspect the Russians will start using tactical nukes.

By contrast, as Kofman and Lee describes, Ukrainian conscripts are taken off the streets or they volunteer. The most elite units get their pick of conscripts. The level of training is not well-described. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that there is almost no training given to conscripts. Aside from that, some 18,000 troops were given NATO training for several weeks, though there are obviously problems with that training as well.
The Ukrainians called up probably had like a year's military service just like the Russians. Then they are getting sent to NATO countries for training. But this training seems to be even less extensive than the one the Russians have been doing. The people who volunteer in Ukraine typically have tried to train themselves in private training courses before they enlist to increase their chances of survival.

On the balance, I am very dis-inclined to believe that Ukrainians are inherently better at infantry action or that their attrition ratio is enviable. Again, it is certainly possible, but I find it highly unlikely.

What is most likely happening, is that Kofman and Lee are being fed information by Ukrainians, that Ukrainians want them to know. This'll be a combination of anecdotes and beliefs that's a mixture of accurate/fictional. It'll also probably come from many junior officers who are unlikely to see the bigger picture (doubt that Syrski personally met with Kofman to discuss the situation). I'm sure that Junior officer from an airborne brigade thinks Russians are shit at infantry actions.
Yep. The latest talk that Ukraine all of a sudden have artillery superiority is one of these BS propaganda narratives. They probably have achieved local superiority in some cases where they concentrate fires. But this won't be happening over the whole front, and eventually the Russians will start pushing back, in fact at least in the north they already started.
 

HighGround

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They always make it look like the citizens the Russians call have no prior experience or training. But in Russia men go through military service for one year. And the government is not calling up people who did not do their military service.

As a note, don't forget that the 1 year term has been around for around 15 years, before that, it was 2 years. Many Russian soldiers were also on a contract that they did not renew. Retention has been a persistent problem for the Russian Army for the last 10-15 years. So in theory, there are a lot of military-trained men, and even professional soldiers who cycled out of the system.

The failure of the Russian government is in data entry IMO. The mobilization last year showed that there was an insufficient effort to document and organize all of this information.
 

gelgoog

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Many Russian soldiers were also on a contract that they did not renew. Retention has been a persistent problem for the Russian Army for the last 10-15 years. So in theory, there are a lot of military-trained men, and even professional soldiers who cycled out of the system.
Yep. The Russians should have issued a stop loss order just like the US did in Afghanistan. Their laws and conscription architecture was simply not ready for a conflict like this.

The failure of the Russian government is in data entry IMO. The mobilization last year showed that there was an insufficient effort to document and organize all of this information.
The Russians were still delivering summons papers in person by military recruiters at the conscriptee's listed address just like they do in Ukraine. Military drafting was all done by local offices instead of being centralized. They drew up the lists and selected who to call. Soviet era methods. Pretty retarded. The government changed that to a text message to their phone number and a registered letter telling them when and where they are supposed to show up. And they closed loopholes where people would give a wrong address, or leave their house, or even the country to evade a draft notice. Once you get drafted you get put into a list where you cannot leave the country anymore. And if you fail to show to your summons, you will be forbidden from driving a car, applying for a loan, or selling property.

The current Russian Prime Minister, Mikhail Mishustin, has a background on IT in the private sector. Before being Prime Minister he headed the Federal Tax Service and was responsible for the automation of tax revenue collection. He basically automated and closed down loopholes in VAT collection and other things. So I think we can rest assured they will figure out the problem of automated recruitment eventually now that the government is on it.
 

Tam

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Russian ATV based ATGM crew hits a Ukrainian fortified position with ATGM. Uses AGS-17 grenade launcher with good measure.


Ukrainians get two nice kills via HIMARS on a Buk missile launcher and a 9S18M3 radar.


Ukrainian column attacking at Rabotino falls under heavy Russian fire. If your eyes are quick you can spot a Lancet near miss.


Ukrainian convoy falls under heavy fire at the Artemovsk area by the 137th VDV.


Ukrainian troop hideout spotted by drone in the Artemovsk sector and hit by Russian artillery.


Three Ukrainian Bradleys tried to attack. One blown up by mine, another by ATGM, but the third was able to pick up survivors and retreat.

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Mass production of Lancet is now showing in a surge of Lancet kills.

AN/TPQ-50 radar on top of Humvee gets hit by Lancet.

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Ukrainian SPG gets knocked out by Lancet.

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Ottoman Army takes out a T-72M1 via Krasnopol on the Zaporozhye sector.

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2S1 Gvozdika destroyed by Lancet.

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Ukrainian BMP hit by Lancet.

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Lancet takes out hidden howitzer.

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BMP-2 taken out by Lancet.

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M777 knocked out by Lancet.

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2S1 Gvozdika and BMP-1 taken out by Lancets.

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M109 taken out by Lancet.

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abc123

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Once you get drafted you get put into a list where you cannot leave the country anymore. And if you fail to show to your summons, you will be forbidden from driving a car, applying for a loan, or selling property.
Don't know, when I got the draft notice, it said below that if I don't show up, I will be arrested and it's criminal liability. And that was enough.
What loans, property selling and other nonsences? Prison time. Serious prison time. It's war time.
Russia needs to start taking this war seriously, if they want to win.
I mean, after 500+ days of war, is it important did you get a SMS, e-mail or land mail notice? I for one, wouldn't believe anything else than real land mail notice, because of possibility of hacking. And wouldn't show up.
And Russia will not fail if the letter arrives 3 or 5 days later.
But general disorganisation, that we had chance to see in this 500+ days, that's something completely different.
I mean, their mobilisation department, seems like they never had idea in life that they might, just maybe, send someone mobilisation notice? Wtf? Only that cirkus should be enough to have Shoigu and Gerasimov dismissed from service.
Or that you allow hunderds of thousands Russians to leave country, to escape mobilisation. Too hard to remember to close the borders before mobilisation? Or that case of Peskov Junior. OMFG.
 
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Overbom

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Same skyscraper in Moscow bombed again by Ukrainian drone
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Ukraine war: Same Moscow skyscraper hit in new drone attack​

Two more Ukrainian drones were shot down by anti-aircraft systems elsewhere in the Moscow region, Russia's defence ministry said, claiming to have thwarted a Ukrainian "terrorist attack".

 
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