The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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On the morning of July 30, an attempt by Ukrainian UAVs to attack objects in the city of Moscow was thwarted. One of the Ukrainian UAVs was reportedly destroyed in the air by air defense systems over the territory of the Odintsovo district of the Moscow region. Two more drones were suppressed by electronic warfare and, having lost control, crashed on the territory of the Moscow City office building complex.






Footage of a night battle between a Russian and Ukrainian tank in April near Kremennaya has been published, the models of both tanks are unknown. A Ukrainian tank reportedly drove into position and was spotted by a Russian tank crew. The Russian tank fired the first shot, first with a guided missile, then the second shot was fired with HEAT ammunition. It was not possible to find out the model of the affected tank, since by the morning it was evacuated by Ukrainian units.



 

Intrepid

Major
On the morning of July 30, an attempt by Ukrainian UAVs to attack objects in the city of Moscow was thwarted. One of the Ukrainian UAVs was reportedly destroyed in the air by air defense systems over the territory of the Odintsovo district of the Moscow region. Two more drones were suppressed by electronic warfare and, having lost control, crashed on the territory of the Moscow City office building complex.
Even if the damage done is insignificant, these drone attacks on Moscow are of great psychological value. Now the drones just have to learn to find worthwhile targets autonomously and with internal navigation methods, because the connection to the control and navigation satellites is not guaranteed because of the intensive electronic defence.

I think with every single flight the Ukrainians gain new experience and optimise the systems. Whenever they have the upper hand in phases in this very special arms race, they can send many drones at the same time in the future.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Even if the damage done is insignificant, these drone attacks on Moscow are of great psychological value. Now the drones just have to learn to find worthwhile targets autonomously and with internal navigation methods, because the connection to the control and navigation satellites is not guaranteed because of the intensive electronic defence.

I think with every single flight the Ukrainians gain new experience and optimise the systems. Whenever they have the upper hand in phases in this very special arms race, they can send many drones at the same time in the future.
This is the even-Ukrainian-failures-are-successes logic? On the flip side, Russian defenses learn to hunt down Ukrainian drones and their operators before they get within range and gain experience defeating them with every Ukrainian failed attempt and these experiences can be further applied on the front lines. The great psychological value is that it shows Russians that this is not some far away operation they can be indifferent to or run away from because it's inconvenient to fight. If they don't commit themselves to go to war and end the Ukrainian regime, their homes and families will be in danger.
 

Gloire_bb

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Krasnopol fired from Msta
That's brigade artillery, which in the Russian case is to a significant margin equipped with 152/47 SPGs.
Ukrainian brigade artillery is mostly 2s1 and towed guns (105,122). Some of the lucky brigades have M109s( /39).
Excalibur fired from AHS Krab?
That's corps/army artillery, a whole level higher. Together with all other western-supplied 155/52 systems, as well as 777, 2a36, and 2s7. This group also includes 220, 227(corps) and 300(army) rocket fires.
Far, far rarer thing on the whole front - for the Ukrainian side. Just not enough available supply.

Also, Excalibur supply amount is limited - if for the sake of argument you limit your SPGs to firing just them - they are as good as self-suppressed, and can work only as [relatively weak] tactical precision fires. But this is more about pure range metrics comparing(largest numbers out of context) - i.e. your whole understanding of how - and where - artillery is deployed is completely flawed.
Ideas about M777 used to target the high value Russian assets behind the front is especially peculiar.
That's what they're in fact often used for - and the reason so many of them get targeted. As are all the others, because that's that they're for, not for destructability metrics(where AHS Krab leads among /52 systems - and not because it's bad, but rather because it's good - there are enough of them available to risk them, and Ukrainians are often enough sure that it won't break w/o enemy interference like pzh2000 does)
There are just not enough /52 SPGs around at any given time - typically just a few per single battlefront. And when they're available - the question of long-range ammo - and the question of what to engage with it - always kicks in.

I think it's worth reinstating here at least once:
(1)longest available ranges(guided) matter, and matter a lot, but:
(2)longest available dumb ranges matter, too - because suppression fires are done with multiple shells, single shot doesn't suppress(you could see a couple of days ago what unsuppressed strongpoint does to a mechanized company)
(3)longest available dumb(not rocket-assisted) ranges matter too, because those are just heavier, far more precise(predictable) and more destructive;
but finally:
(4)unless absolutely unavoidable, the absolute majority of fire missions are done not with long-range shells and not even on full charges. Spare your guns, especially when you don't produce barrels. If you want to hit anything with at least (3).

You have like 250 hidden videos of lancets destroying Leos and other stuff?
Well, close to 200 videos and counting during the Ukrainian offensive, and that's not counting either other videos (artillery, rocket, airstrikes) nor taking into account the whole CB thing. That's for artillery, b/c for leos and other stuff the main killer/video provider aren't them, it's that Kamov rotary thing.
 
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generalmeng

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Even if the damage done is insignificant, these drone attacks on Moscow are of great psychological value. Now the drones just have to learn to find worthwhile targets autonomously and with internal navigation methods, because the connection to the control and navigation satellites is not guaranteed because of the intensive electronic defence.

I think with every single flight the Ukrainians gain new experience and optimise the systems. Whenever they have the upper hand in phases in this very special arms race, they can send many drones at the same time in the future.
Attacking the Russian heartland will lead to more public Russian support for the war, and eventually, maybe even a full Russian mobilization.

If Russia goes full mobilization, Ukraine will be over very quickly. I do not see how Ukraine's action is any benefit towards achieving peace and independence for Ukraine.

How much support does everyone honestly think the West will provide? The West is barely able to keep up with a partly mobilized Russia.
 

Tam

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Russian FPV drone hits a Ukrainian Kraz supply truck. Videos with this watermark belongs to the Chechen Akhmat-Yug special forces unit which is deployed in the Orekhov sector.

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Lancet hit on an M777 in Ugledar by obtf Kaskad.

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Destroyed Ukrainian T-64BV in the Ugledar area.

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Ukrainian tank detonates on the road to Klesheevka.

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Three Ukrainian APCs tried to storm the positions of the VDV in Klesheevka. Two APCs out of three were lost.

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M777 destroyed by the artillery of the 292nd Regiment of the 58th Army. This puts it in the Zaporhyzhia region.

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ATGMs and artillery destroy two Ukrainian tanks at the Vremyevsky Ledge. This by the 127th Division.

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2S1 Gvozdika SPG goes boom after being hit by Krasnopol.

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Tank gets hit by Lancet at the Zaporhyzhia region.

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Direct hit on Ukrainian tank by Hyacinth-B.

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The VDV hits a Ukrainian DRG at Zaporhyzhia with an ATGM. ATGMs used directly against troops are usually Kornets with thermobaric warheads.

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Ka-52 takes out a Ukrainian Western type APC with a Vikhr at Zaporhyzhia.

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British howitzer L-119 destroyed in counter battery duel.

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Grad launcher of Group O goes to work on Ukrainian positions in the forest belt of Krasnolimansky.

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Corona

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Few days old footage :
Large number of Ukrainian troops decided to surrender with their equipment as they raised white flags.

Footage of the lone Russian tank on Rampage, but this video is accurately & visibly subtitled, In this episode 2 Ukrainian tanks and 6 APCs were destroyed and all crew killed, the incident happened in the Zaporozhye direction. The Russian tank returned from the battle without damage.
 
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