The War in the Ukraine

HighGround

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Still no evidence really what has been stated that they broke through the defense line with many casualties, but I've seen some videos of Russians killed and captured in the Robotyne area, but without geolocation confirmation.
You should share if you've seen them. I haven't seen too much footage of Russian PoWs from that area. To be fair, it's probably been a week since I checked Ukrainian telegrams, but... I mean you can imagine why I tend to consider those sources to be more unreliable.
 

Sinnavuuty

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You should share if you've seen them. I haven't seen too much footage of Russian PoWs from that area. To be fair, it's probably been a week since I checked Ukrainian telegrams, but... I mean you can imagine why I tend to consider those sources to be more unreliable.
I do not share because I have doubts about the veracity of the videos, that's why I said that I prefer to wait for the geolocation.
About that:
 

B777LR

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Right. It'll be in interesting to know if the Lancet operators are trained to specifically guide it for a top down attack or just steer anywhere into the vehicle.

Based on the videos of Leopards that have been hit, they do have a tendency to avoid the front and go for the rear half of the tank, the turret bustle in particular.
 

Gloire_bb

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lol
Lancets are only making up for Russian artillery deficiency in range. Unfortunately for them Ukrainian artillery which had usually already changed to 155mm (NATO standard) has superior range of fire. Russians can't keep up so if they want to shoot at something 15+ km behind the frontline all they can do is to use Lancets. That's one of the factors why Ukrainians loose some pieces when they're reloading (not applying every precaution of course which is their wrongdoing on most of the occasions) as they feel not threatened by the Russian artillery. Russians would probably want to get better artillery pieces with longer range and precision ammunition over any number of Lancets. They're all right but they are only making up for deficiencies and technical difficulties on Russian side. The numbers of destroyed equipment pieces favor Ukrainian artillery by a big margin.
Russian artillery has no deficiency in range in this conflict, more like it doesn't enjoy the superiority it expected itself to have. The real problem is general reaction speed deficit - Ukrainian units achieved good uniform kill chain speed, thanks to good cloud services and starlink proliferation.

Ukrainian 155/52 systems are longer ranged, but (1)their number is limited, (2)they're playing the role of higher-level assets (arty Bdes), which positions them amongst longer-ranged 130, 152, and 203mm systems, as well as 220mm MLRS launchers(all corps level assets). All of those play in 40km range bracket.
Ukrainian 155/39 are significantly more numerous(but still represent a minority of Ukrainian fires), but they have no range advantage over typical russian brigade/division level 152/47(Msta). The latter are simply far more numerous and widely presented.

Also, the amount of lancets used this year is well beyond just "compensation". Especially starting his summer, when their usage tempo just soared.
Provided footage release is an indication of intensity of anything, lancets (which almost guarantee released attack did at least some damage - man in the loop guided system, after all) are a menace, and Ukraine doesn't match them on the battlefield, even with super liberal use of MLRS fires.
 

tankphobia

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Right. It'll be in interesting to know if the Lancet operators are trained to specifically guide it for a top down attack or just steer anywhere into the vehicle.
Honestly lancets are quick, but they don't strike me as particularly maneuverable to me just based on footage seen, Its more comparable to a ATGM then say, a fpv drone which can quite literally turn on a dime while slinging a rpg warhead around. It's not like we haven't seen extremely well placed ATGM shots in the past but I doubt they train specifically for it more than a passing mention of tactics, lancets are basically brand new if you consider how recently it's rolled out.

Best practice would really be semi automatic final approach, some ATGMs and NLAW does top down automatically greatly reducing crew skills needed.
 

Janiz

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Provided footage release is an indication of intensity of anything, lancets (which almost guarantee released attack did at least some damage - man in the loop guided system, after all) are a menace, and Ukraine doesn't match them on the battlefield, even with super liberal use of MLRS fires.
You should start watching videos from other sources then I assume.

There is a fresh document out there which sums up the confirmed losses (could be repaired, not necessarily complete loss) in the recent fights on Zaporhozhian front:

When it comes to the losses the numbers are:
- 25 to 7 in self-propelled artillery in favor of Ukraine
- 62 to 46 in tanks in favor of Ukraine (around 11 Western made tanks)

It's said that the losses on the Ukrainian side should be at least 3 times that of Russian ones when they're attacking (which they do).

So what's the truth then?

Feel free to confront the author of the report of course.
 
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gelgoog

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“ZALA LANCET” is a smart multipurpose weapon, capable of autonomously finding and hitting a target. The weapon system consists of precision strike component, reconnaissance, navigation and communications modules. It creates its own navigation field and does not require ground or sea-based infrastructure.
 

HighGround

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So what's the truth then?

Truth is certainly not in an Excel spreadsheet. If you want to base your assessments on this "report", that's perfectly fine, but I am very skeptical that you're going to come away with any accurate conclusions. You might stumble into them, but not on the merit of the data quality.

Feel free to confront the author of the report of course.

I don't really see why that's necessary. Believe what you want.

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Russians hit an SBU building in Dnipro today with an Iskander (or a Kinzhal). This strike occurred very quickly after an Ukrainian S-200 strike (modified to be a pseudo ballistic missile) hit the Russian city of Taganrog.

 
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