Huh, so it's been about a ~900 million dollars to dead or injured soldiers now basically (going by injured soldiers being 3x the number of deads)?
The War in the Ukraine
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That's quite a difference compared to the numbers the Ukranians have been pushing out but it also kind of tracks with the UN reports of civilian casualities, sitting at around 4500 people since the war started.
It is quite a contrast with the picture western and ukranian media keeps painting, where russian forces are being decimated left and right but they are also wiping out entire towns with the civilians in them. Which makes me wonder what will be the true number of casualties for the ukranian forces because, as far as I am aware, Russia doesn't really publish numbers of dead soldiers, just how many targets they have attacked in general.
At this point, I won't be shocked once the dust(and interests) settle, and an official report comes out, that instead of a Winter War rehash, we actually got a Georgia War 2: Tons of mistakes and incompetence by the Russians, but the Georgians still got thoroughly smacked down.
I do not see them taking Kiev. A land bridge from Kharkov to Odessa looks like the goal. That’s what Putin meant for “de-communization.” A land locked west Ukraine will be a impoverished money sink for the west. Think about you think the collective west have the money to bailout Ukraine. Kiev keeps saying they need $3 billion a year to help the government function right now. If they lose the east and south that numbers gets higher. You think the US and Europe will spend 5 or 10 billion a month forever especially we are about to enter an environment of stagflation and recession? West Ukraine will never be an Israel. Israel has ports and a viable economy. Before this war Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe. After this war they will be the Lebanon of Europe but even worst. At least Lebanon has ports. Economically they’ll be finished. It will cost 10s of billions a month to support them. And even if they try to militarized Russia will do airstrikes and missiles to destroy them. West Ukraine will be a bigger version of Gaza. And since it will cost 10s of billions to support the West Ukrainian government the country will always be unstable. And half that money will be gone via corruption. Inadequate govt services which will lead to instability. You really think the west will continue to send advanced weapons to an unstable shithole like a landlocked Ukraine? Not gonna happen. West Ukraine isn’t gonna be like Israel or South Korea. It will be a failed state barely functional with various armed groups fighting amongst themselves for the scrapes.
More captured weapons :
Russia is doomed, they cant fight 40 billion $ army rocking in super cars :
Russia is doomed, they cant fight 40 billion $ army rocking in super cars :
But @gadgetcool5 said that Ruskies are for sure in trouble especially that MLRS weapons from the US will soon be arriving to be used against those hapless Russians.
They have done camo job on the cars, lol ! With the amount of artillery used, all these lads are ready for shrapnel kebab.
Starting to hear rumors that the Kherson counteroffensive didn't go so well
lots of photos of bodies everywhere
lots of photos of bodies everywhere
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That BBC article mentioned here is very damning, especially with how they not only used public information to assess casualties, but also went to graves and other locations to extrapolate even more trying to grasp at anything to pump up numbers and they came up with such low figures. This means throughout the span of a few months the deaths could not even reach double the original Russian MoD announcement. This also reinforces all those rumors and footage on how Russians are conducting this war. With around 180-200k men, many whom aren't even official big army; a lot of chechens, police, volunteers that join the Pro-Russian Ukrainian forces of DNR/LPR, mercenaries such as wagner and other groups including russians joining chechen organized volunteer units. This seems to be far from any desperation and these footage of counter attacks from the Ukrainian side not just now but throughout the last few months seem to play right into Russian hands by feeding men into a lopsided meatgrinder against forces whom were built for such contingencies.
The initial phase really boggled my mind with how mediocre the plan was however this current kind of fighting seems very by the book for post 2008 Russian military, especially the way that they are just fighting under artillery and CAS umbrella slowly creeping forward like a snail. Perhaps not the most suited approach in this specific Ukraine scenario however the whole approach post 2008 was designed mainly to have a conventional fighting force capable of fighting defensively and have fire capability against NATO onslaught while taking into account Russian tech, and budget while having the need for a professional military at the same time. You do not just change whole army culture, doctrine, budget and compositions on the whim just for specific contigencies, real life is not a video game.
Though personally I think this whole situation will just continue to grind on, if there's no other externalities such as foreign involvement beyond condemnation and the current type of aid, or any negotiations, or political shennanigans, this can go on into next year solidly. With this hodge podge mixed force of russia that has a backbone of artillery grinding against ukrainian forces, I don't expect anything remotely fast unless if one side is truly attritioned to the point of complete collapse. It'd be unwise to predict these things (especially on time tables) other than what we already see which is just the continuation of positional warfare with mass amounts of grinding so in the end we will just have to see how things go and take a look at general trends...
The initial phase really boggled my mind with how mediocre the plan was however this current kind of fighting seems very by the book for post 2008 Russian military, especially the way that they are just fighting under artillery and CAS umbrella slowly creeping forward like a snail. Perhaps not the most suited approach in this specific Ukraine scenario however the whole approach post 2008 was designed mainly to have a conventional fighting force capable of fighting defensively and have fire capability against NATO onslaught while taking into account Russian tech, and budget while having the need for a professional military at the same time. You do not just change whole army culture, doctrine, budget and compositions on the whim just for specific contigencies, real life is not a video game.
Though personally I think this whole situation will just continue to grind on, if there's no other externalities such as foreign involvement beyond condemnation and the current type of aid, or any negotiations, or political shennanigans, this can go on into next year solidly. With this hodge podge mixed force of russia that has a backbone of artillery grinding against ukrainian forces, I don't expect anything remotely fast unless if one side is truly attritioned to the point of complete collapse. It'd be unwise to predict these things (especially on time tables) other than what we already see which is just the continuation of positional warfare with mass amounts of grinding so in the end we will just have to see how things go and take a look at general trends...