The War in the Ukraine

Gloire_bb

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What we've seen destroyed is mostly the shorter range stuff, highly mobile systems such as pzh2000, Caesar etc have been rarely seen as destroyed.
Pzh.2000 and Caesars are simply rare, and on top of that were many times noted as very buggy&maintenance-intensive - so only a few were hit (but huge percentage-vise, compared to the number of vehicles destroyed).

The one modern /52 SPH deployed in visible numbers by Ukraine - Krab - is a reasonably frequent visitor of lancet footage.

It'd be interesting to see each side's analysis on why these systems are getting destroyed.

These are mobile systems that should be backing off after their fire mission. They should be hard to locate. Unless of course, they keep coming back to the same exact spot every time.
The simple answer is that it's exactly on the move when they are often getting spotted, tracked down to their new fire location - and engaged.
 

tankphobia

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The simple answer is that it's exactly on the move when they are often getting spotted, tracked down to their new fire location - and engaged.
Seems like the way forward is to maximise range of all future gun based platforms and leave rear strikes to rocket artillery. We also can't really tell whether EW is doing a good job of supress drones, with only the RUSI figure of 10,000 UAVs a month brought down, we're still seeing large amounts of UAV assisted/directed artillery destruction.
 

Tam

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Seems like the way forward is to maximise range of all future gun based platforms and leave rear strikes to rocket artillery. We also can't really tell whether EW is doing a good job of supress drones, with only the RUSI figure of 10,000 UAVs a month brought down, we're still seeing large amounts of UAV assisted/directed artillery destruction.

I doubt you have enough SAMs or MANPADs to take down 10,000 drones a month even if you have auto cannon and machine gun fire to add. You still have large amounts of UAV assisted destruction for the simplest most straightforward answer that you're not destroying UAVs anywhere close to where it will matter. Always consider the possibility that the think tank is BS when what's observed doesn't collaborate.

Unrelated additions.

Russians are building up in two fronts, in Artemevosky and the Krasnolimansky sector.


Tanks can survive a Lancet hit. This one however didn't.


Tanks can survive an FPV drone hit just like the way this Russian tank brushes it off.

 

sheogorath

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probably malfunction as supposedly if the missile didnt find its target, it will go to a secondary target or specific site where it will self destruct.

We wouldn't hear the end of it if this was another Kh-101.


According to Ukranians, the objective of the offensive isn't driving all the way to Melitopol as they have been claiming since day one but to "exhaust Russian forces"


Claims of Russians retaking possitions from the Ukranians around Robotino

 
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Tam

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Crashed Storm Shadow.


probably malfunction as supposedly if the missile didnt find its target, it will go to a secondary target or specific site where it will self destruct.

It's possible that the missile is GPS jammed. RUSI just talking about this capability of the Russians jamming HIMARS and drones and stuff. To be fair, the Ukrainians themselves have some EW capability, a good example is they put a bubble up over Antonovsky Bridge during their bridgehead, and it helped deny the Russians some observational and FPV drone support until the bridgehead got Iskandered, TOSed and incendiaried.

There's also the other possibility the missile was shot down by SAM with a proximity explosion, knocking the missile off course and destroying its control surfaces.

Unrelated additions.

Some rocket hit this Ukrainian ammo depot in Avdiivka and it went up in a big flash. My suspect it could have been a Tornado G or S.


Successful Geran hit on the SBU hq in Sumy. Russian buildups in the north and eastern fronts suggest a massive offensive being prepared and such attacks could precede this offensive. There's the appearance of so called Storm X units which I assume are special force units that embody the experience and lessons of Wagner from their Bakhmut offensive.


Back again at a familiar sight, the road from Chasov Yar to Ivanoske where many Ukrainian vehicles were ambushed last spring. Here they are getting ambushed again, though with Ukrainian gains in the area these would have to be by aerial means.


Lancet attacks on some Soviet equipment. First an MT-LB, then a D-30, then a Hyacinth-C howitzer.

 
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gelgoog

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Crashed Storm Shadow.
probably malfunction as supposedly if the missile didnt find its target, it will go to a secondary target or specific site where it will self destruct.
That Storm Shadow cruise missile was shot down by Russian AD apparently.

It has holes in it.

The Russians seem to have gotten the missile pretty much intact, so this is a good candidate for inspection.
 

Stealthflanker

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We wouldn't hear the end of it if this was another Kh-101.

Yeah and i still remember that "60% reliability" of Russian missiles which have no real source.

That Storm Shadow cruise missile was shot down by Russian AD apparently.

12.7mm seems too unlikely, while 23mm i recalled the Russian 23mm has explosive charge so i dont think it would leave such clean hole
 
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