Either way, Putin's speech is already positioning this as a "Western-sponsored" mutiny.... which enables him to elevate S.M.O. into a full-scale war.
So Prigozhin will be the scapegoat, S.M.O. status will be ended, entering Full-scale war phase.
The War in the Ukraine
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Action from the front.
Russian ATGM knocks out AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radar. Russians via an ATGM team managed to get close to a counter battery radar or the Ukrainians have a false idea where the line is to put a valuable counter battery radar in enemy ATGM range.
Russian 6th Artillery Brigade knocking out assumed Ukrainian hideouts. Usually this determined by drones tracking enemy troops.
Russian FPV drones attacking Ukrainian fortifications in Zaporzhyzhia.
Russian ATGM knocks out AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radar. Russians via an ATGM team managed to get close to a counter battery radar or the Ukrainians have a false idea where the line is to put a valuable counter battery radar in enemy ATGM range.
Russian 6th Artillery Brigade knocking out assumed Ukrainian hideouts. Usually this determined by drones tracking enemy troops.
Russian FPV drones attacking Ukrainian fortifications in Zaporzhyzhia.
Apparently, the past video was one during winter a year ago. This video is supposedly in summer.
I remember how some pro Russia anaylsts (like Scot Ritter) were saying that Russia will win the war in Ukraine by having a coup in Kiev to take out Zelensky.
After sacraficing dozens of thousands of Russians in Ukraine the only thing Putin has to show for is Russia advacing backwards out of Kharkov and Kherson to "more defensible positions".
Aside from those few airstrikes the advancing Wagner columns are facing little to no resistance from regular Russian soldiers, I believe alot of these soldiers are fed up with the leadership in Moscow.
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Putin could launch war instead of SMO without all this crap if he wanted. The West has been intervening for a long time now.
Exactly. Pretty much no one thinks Putin is being held back by 'legislation'. He can have what he wants and the parliament will rubberstamp it.
Anyway, I think this coup attempt will eventually fizzle out. Key important points to note is Prigozhin is more of a nutcase and ultranationalist than Putin, Shoigu etc. Even if one was to believe NAFO that Putin is this or that, Prigozhin is 10x worst in every way. No elites or oligarchs will switch over, no one in army has flipped. If the flips were to occur, they would've occurred by now and the key tenet of the coup is to neutralize the 'head' ASAP or alternatively, to garner massive support in the 'march'. None of that has happened. If there is any bloodshed, it will fall directly on Prigozhin and whatever sympathies he has now will die down. The longer it takes to flip, the longer Putin will reinforce his control. The 'critical' time that Prigozhin had as an advantage and surprise is coming to the close. Too many hours have elapsed now. All weak links politically would've been 'controlled' by now.
As I said earlier, Prigozhin knew he was going to be sidelined in weeks and months ahead and so he pulls this off while he still can as hail-mary.
While it's true no one had declared for Prigozhin, no one can predict what will happen when they reach Moscow.
Anyone know what this is about? It is a rumor as far as I am concerned. Yesterday or a several hours ago, an journalist who asked some random Wagner troops in Rostov who said they still had contact with the MOD. However, i don’t think it’s all that reliable for grunts to know what’s happening in the back doors.
I've not seen that around as yet. Possible, but...with that speech Putin gave, it seems a little unlikely. There are videos of helicopters being shot down in Voronezh.
As for where Prigozhin is, this seems semi confimed as Rybar has been posting similar info, but the graphic is decent.
An oil depot is on fire in Voronezh, too. On the trolling side, the RDK and other Russian rebels have offered Wagner their support. snirk.
The tweet seems behind the curve. There are starting to be reports of fighting between Wagner and the Chechens in Rostov.
This from earlier does not bode well for the situation though, even if Wagner gets crushed:
Where is the VVS? Wagner should have been met with more than a handful of helicopters...