The War in the Ukraine

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enroger

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Overbom said:
Lol. If someone deliberately attacks you, you are well within your rights to rebel. Combine that with the previous political attacks by the MOD against Wagner and it really no surprise that this happens.

It all depends on if the initial claim of his base being attacked was true. If yes, don't be surprised that mercenaries would attack back.
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True, but you would want to attack the right guy not your frigin country. As I said unless it was Putin himself ordered the strike (if it was true), then the task is to find out the one truly responsible not fight your entire country.
 
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enroger said:
This is what I want to know. But even if it is true it is still no reason to start a goddamned rebellion over, unless he is sure it was ordered by Putin himself. What if it was a simple friendly fire accident? What if it was orchestrated by enemy agent?
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It can't be friendly fire. Wagner are not at the front lines. Which means it was likely either a deliberately orchestrated attack by the Russian Armed Forces or a missile attack by Ukraine if it happened. One really wonders if anything at all happened. I almost completely rule out the first, there is almost no way that the Russian Army will attack its allies. If it is a missile attack by Ukraine on the Wagner base, hell, Russian bases some distance from the front are occasionally successful. Shit happens...


So to me, Prigozhin is full of it, as he often is. He is all over the place. He equally makes sense as frequently as he just says a lot of BS. He's loose cannon, throwing others publicly under the bus, but now he is a really really really F'ed up one. But what would motivate him to do what he is doing, that is the question?

Since the end of the Battle of Bakhmut Russia has proven that it can essentially indefinitely stalemate the war and the great struggles of the Ukrainian counter offensive had weakened the moral of Ukraine, but especially its partners.

If the rest of the Russian military and security institutions remain loyal, Prigozhin will be crushed... He's counting on others to join his rebellion. Putin will have to act quickly and very decisively against him, and indeed overwhelmingly so...
 
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enroger

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It can't be friendly fire. Wagner are not at the front lines. Which means it was likely either a deliberately orchestrated attack by the Russian Armed Forces or a missile attack by Ukraine if it happened. One really wonders if anything at all happened. I almost completely rule out the first, there is almost no way that the Russian Army will attack its allies. If it is a missile attack by Ukraine on the Wagner base, hell, Russian bases some distance from the front are occasionally successful. Shit happens...


So to me, Prigozhin is full of it, as he often is. He is all over the place. He equally makes sense as frequently as he just says a lot of BS. He's loose cannon, throwing others publicly under the bus, but now he is a really really really F'ed up one. But what would motivate him to do what he is doing, that is the question?

Since the end of the Battle of Bakhmut Russia has proven that it can essentially indefinitely stalemate the war and the great struggles of the Ukrainian counter offensive had weakened the moral of Ukraine, but especially its partners.

If the rest of the Russian military and security institutions remain loyal, Prigozhin will be crushed... He's counting on others to join his rebellion. Putin will have to act quickly and very decisively against him, and indeed overwhelmingly so...
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This whole thing is too sus to me, if Russian forces really wants to kill off Wagners would they just fire one missile at them and let them have a rebellion? Won't they try to decisively disarm Wagners while they still have element of surprise?

Seriously, even civil war KMT was not this fucked up....
 
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Full statement from Kadyrov:

Friends, the night turned out to be difficult and the flights did not give time to voice here my position on this vile betrayal!

Everything that happens is a KNIFE IN THE BACK and a real military mutiny!

I have repeatedly warned that war is not the time to voice personal grievances and resolve disputes in our rear. The rear must always be calm and reliable. Imagine how the guys in the trenches feel now, in the face of which there is an enemy, and behind their backs a treacherous adventure. We are talking about stability, about the cohesion of the state, about the security of citizens.

History shows that such actions can lead to bloody consequences. We have few losses in the SMO? We still have to create problems within the country?

We have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief, elected by the people, who knows the whole situation to the smallest detail better than any strategist, and even more so a businessman, calls the commanders "on the ground" himself and fully controls the course of the SMO. And the decisions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief are taken in a balanced and scrupulous manner. Each of us sees only one part of the map, and he sees everything at once! And Vladimir Vladimirovich quite rightly noted in his address to the nation - this is a military rebellion! There is no excuse for such actions!

I fully support every word of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!

I appeal to the fighters - patriots of our Motherland. Do not fall for provocations. Whatever goals you are given, no matter what promises you are told - the security of the state and the cohesion of Russian society at such a moment is above all else! See how our enemies in the West are taking advantage of this situation. How many stuffing, how many lies, how many false appeals that frighten our citizens, create the danger of a destabilizing situation. And these are the expected consequences of Prigozhin's treacherous march.

What is happening is not an ultimatum to the Ministry of Defense. This is a challenge to the state, and against this challenge it is necessary to rally around the national leader: the military, security forces, governors, and the civilian population.

The fighters of the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Guard in the Chechen Republic have already left for the zones of tension. We will do everything to preserve the unity of Russia and protect its statehood!

The rebellion must be crushed, and if this requires harsh measures, then we are ready!
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Of all the possible people that might support a rebellion Kadyrov is probably top of the list. If Prigozhin can't even get Kadyrov to side with him or sit out then he's done.
 
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