At this rate, it should be the Ukrainians training NATO, not the other way around. Ukrainians are far more effective using tactics which they learned by blood since 2014. I imagine that the only assistance they could actually use from NATO are tips on how to handle Western weapons.
The War in the Ukraine
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IIRC, it's less about the failed counteroffensive but more on domestic issues like Hunter Biden's pleading guilty to tax evasion. Typical US media behavior is to distract from domestic issues and the go-to is some foreign problem. The exception is Israel which the IDF recently got ambushed in some refugee camp.
There is a very high likelihood that NATO and US are very heavily involved in the planning of Ukraine's offensive operations. They certainly provide the intelligence, the reconnaissance, and the raw war material obviously. This is from an about the Kharkiv-Balaklia counter-offensive.
So it is highly likely that the current counter-offensive has the stamp of approval from NATO general staff. There are a lot of caveats to be had with what "approval" means of course, but nevertheless, this is part of NATO's handiwork.
Though I would still caution people from making strong conclusions. One month is nothing. I've heard it all before. How the assassination of Russian generals would destroy Russia's C2 network. How HIMARS and now Storm Shadows will destroy Russia's logistics... Now into the 2nd year of this war, it's pretty clear that Russia is neither very stupid nor particularly incompetent. Like any military they have their weaknesses and strengths, and it is an organization that can and does adapt.
Expect Ukraine to do the same. Despite Russian reporting that Ukraine just seems to send waves of men into Russian defenses pointlessly, it is quite obvious to me that there has been variation and changes in how Ukraine has approached Russian lines. We also seldom get reports from Russia's backline units.
Has Ukraine tried different drone tactics? How would we know without talking to one of Russia's EW companies?
Has Ukraine moved their Air Defense assets in response to VKS activity? How would we know without satellite footage?
It could very well be that Ukraine is making much bigger adjustments during this "operational pause" and that their next wave of attacks is going to be much more effective, and much better prepared now. Keep your fingers crossed.
How much chance you give to see the Raythenon/Blacwater CEO making political statement and sharing classified information just for fun ?
And afterwards, how much time it takes to find themselves behind bars? one hour , or one day?
That guy part of the Russian elite. Up to this point he made technical critism, about in interest of his business/staff.
The previous political critism that he said was a lie, do your remember the Bakhmut failure of Russian units, that was nothing else just an unrelated transaltion of his original transcript?
Russia follow a simple strategy, exhaust the NATO until they run out of war materials.
The Washington elite , represented by the capitol run a simple scheme as well, fermenting political unrest in Russia, and take over the power with indirect methods, as happened in Syria, Ukraine, Yugoslavia and so on.
This transcript match the strategy and interest of the Capitol, not any Russian elite that seeking power.
Again, turn around, and think a bit about the chances to see similar statement from anyone in the USA policital / economical elite. Only person that tried neutral ground was musk. But he in practice gives the communication network for the Pentagon : D
Ukrainian forces carry out assault on territory near Krasnohorivka for the first time since 2014, this territory is controlled by pro-Russian fighters and together with the Russians they felt untouchable in that area
the consolidation of occupied territories by Russia does not seem very stable. It would be a big blow if Ukraine approaches Donetsk again with the intention of liberating it.
the consolidation of occupied territories by Russia does not seem very stable. It would be a big blow if Ukraine approaches Donetsk again with the intention of liberating it.
For reference, this was the latest Rybar map on that area.
And this is the msot recent Siversk map
The main problem with Ukraine's counteroffensive is that it is largely politically motivated rather than strategic. It may be planned by NATO and signed off by the U.S., but it doesn't change the fact that it was flawed from the start.
NATO generals can plan best to their ability based on what the AFU received and the intelligence they have, they have no influence on how much political support AFU will continue to get. Ukraine needs to demonstrate it can achieve results because if they can't, support will wan very quickly as this is very expensive war to sponsor for the West.
NATO generals can plan best to their ability based on what the AFU received and the intelligence they have, they have no influence on how much political support AFU will continue to get. Ukraine needs to demonstrate it can achieve results because if they can't, support will wan very quickly as this is very expensive war to sponsor for the West.
You have no way of knowing that. And no, there are substantial strategic reasons to carry out a counter-offensive in the Zaporozhia direction.
Broccoli
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One of the new Russian minelayers was destroyed.
In other news Prigozhin claims that Shoigu personally tries to destroy Wagner.
In other news Prigozhin claims that Shoigu personally tries to destroy Wagner.
Prigozhin is basically calling for a coup. Miltwitter is going mad.
If it looks like a duck etc. etc.