The War in the Ukraine

Tootensky

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A return to offensive action would be very costly at this time, even if the Ukranian armored corps are exhausted from the current offensive, NATO has spun up enough anti air and artillery production such that I'm not sure Russia will have a decisive artillery advantage. Currently combined western production of 155mm shell is ~150k/month and will only increase from here as contracts are drawn up and plants committed.

Best case for Russia will be a frozen conflict imo.
I'm not suggesting Russia go on the offensive, at least not for a long while. Both NATO and the Ukraine are hellbent on the "Not an inch of land" rhetoric. This works out great for the Russians - all they have to do is keep passing the ammunition and lobbing artillery shells, bombs, grenades at the advancing Ukrainians. With the current approach, sooner or later something's going to break - either Ukrainian determination, or their demographics. Remember, Ukraine didn't have the healthiest numbers even before the war. Then they lost a chunk of the population to emigration, they continue losing people at the front... How long until they get pushed into the situation of Paraguay ca. 1870, when they had to legalize polygamy to stave off extinction?

The western countries supplying weapons and keeping the Ukrainian economy afloat can't do anything with respect to people's expectations for a better life and shrinking population. Eventually a window for Russia to push will present itself. It might be in a year, or three, or ten. Until then, all they have to do is keep the meatgrinder going.

As for western arms production, keep in mind that western equipment is expensive. One of the first things to go after the end of the Cold War were military procurement budgets, because it was an easy way to save a lot of money. And western countries kept doing this for a long time, even after 2014. It's not the 1940s anymore, putting a couple of machines in an empty warehouse and spitting out ammunition the next day just isn't going to happen. Those are long-term investments, they require security, materials, qualified workfroce... There's a reason why the ability to manufacture tank and artillery guns in the UK has become Lostech.
 

Stealthflanker

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I wouldn't take Prigozhin very seriously tho as he has his roles. Like Kadyrov and his hypes early in war.

I feel Prighozin is fillint that role now, as maybe some form of "feedback loop" in narrative to instill beliefs in people that there are cracks in Russian ranks and Prighozin wants to rise to power. While in fact his Wagner forces are still pretty much In Ukraine. regrouping and see if he's really back in line at August 1.
 

generalmeng

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I‘m really amazed by him even if I don’t like him nor his group and I think in the long term it will be quite hard for him to stay alive?!


can anyone speak russian translate and verify that?

I recalled BBC news and CNN was covering about Ukrainian bombing and shelling donetsk civilians as early as 2017. I think that video is still on youtube.
 

Stealthflanker

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Off topic but I have a feeling the US kept the Titanic submersible story cooking for so long (instead of instantly telling people it was an implosion) in order to distract from the failure of the counteroffensive (or at least the first stage)

Well you can also say the same for Hunter Biden's case.

IF they want a diversionary story for lagged offensive is as you see the Ukraine spreading narratives on Energodar NPP on how Russian wants to blow it up. As illogical as it may seems it made better diversionary story. On the smaller scale is the recent attack on the Bridge connecting Crimea to Kherson although i expect this one would died on much faster.
 

Biscuits

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I‘m really amazed by him even if I don’t like him nor his group and I think in the long term it will be quite hard for him to stay alive?!

Imagine still trusting these weekly trolls from Prigozhin, the guy who in the past said he wanted to become President of Ukraine and said had no ammo in Bakhmut days before taking it with no reduction in fire rates.

How much gullibility can the prospect of copium lead people into trusting a literal clown who has a carte blanche to say whatever he wants in order to sow confusion?

Edit: at this point it's like watching people get catfished by a guy using the same fake profile picture over and over.
 
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tankphobia

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Honestly I think it's just a psyop to try and get the Ukrainians to divert their forces. And where did you get that artillery figure? US production is like 25k per month. Does Europe really produce five times that?
I'm shamelessly ripping this from a reddit thread, but sources seems pretty reasonable.

Rheinmetall current production 450k annually - 37.5k/m
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Saab - 100k annually - 8k/m
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(calculated from 4X from pre-ukraine numbers = 400k)
BAES, Nammo, and Nexter - 1.7k/m from 20k annual
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South Korea (40k ish/month) - Estimation from amount of artillery systems they use.
MSM group - 2.5k/m from 30k annually.
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If you add US figures you arrive at the 100k figure. Note that most of those sources plan to double production over next 2 years.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I‘m really amazed by him even if I don’t like him nor his group and I think in the long term it will be quite hard for him to stay alive?!
Well , simple propaganda by the CIA/Ukrainan KGB.

Simple propaganda, worded in CIA style.

Either actor that we see, or simply rubbish transcript underneath of him

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Just to see the methods and tools of the British Colonial administration and the Capitol favorite dog , the CIA..

USA/UK has long track record to plant and boardcast lies to conduct violence in foreign countries, to achieve control above regions. Or to prevent development of controlling .

Or because the USA/UK decision maker is a psychopath , and enjoying the killing of millions.

This video carry all halmark of the typical british/CIA operation .
 

Tam

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Ukrainian convoy smoked by a swarm of Russian FPV drones. Burning Avenger spontaneously shooting it's missiles.


Two Su-25 bomb a makeshift Ukrainian storage facility and ammo depot.


Leopard takes a Lancet hit, courtesy of Russian Airborne.


2S2 Akasya taken out by Russian artillery.


Ukrainian BM-21 Grad goes big boom after hit by a Lancet.


Ka-52 at work again.

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Russian Air Force using glide bombs at Zaporozhye.

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