The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

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Seems the Ukranians used a Storm Shadow to hit the Crimean bridge...but the one that links it to Kherson, not mainland Russia


Yeah, still a problem tho.

It always difficult one as they held initiative on what to struck and there is no practical way to disperse Shorad's. If i were ever to try blaming Russians i would ask where VKS is as their aviation is a key to cover wide area from such target.

Also.. there is a vid on Storm Shadow interception :


It's from Brother Zoka.. so his comment section will always be "spicy".

The fate of interception tho is uncertain but one thing for sure it's not tree line at the end. could be cloud or explosion. and it's not the missile hitting target either as it's from 5 km distance.
 
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Been a couple of days since I've followed this thread

Are there any big picture updates? How's the counteroffensive going?
Not well. It's not over yet by any means but it's undeniable at this point that they have had quite a rough start.

You can also observe how pro west commentators have reverted to harping about their technological superiority, which is their signature last line of mental defense and usually a signal things aren't going to plan for them.

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HighGround

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It's from Brother Zoka.. so his comment section will always be "spicy".

The fate of interception tho is uncertain but one thing for sure it's not tree line at the end. could be cloud or explosion. and it's not the missile hitting target either as it's from 5 km distance.

Isn't the S1 networked?
 

drowingfish

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Not well. It's not over yet by any means but it's undeniable at this point that they have had quite a rough start.

You can also observe how pro west commentators have reverted to harping about their technological superiority, which is their signature last line of mental defense and usually a signal things aren't going to plan for them.

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i think its worse than that, the fact that russia has started its own offensive on the kupyansk-lyman front shows that it is quite confident that the current deployed forces in zaporozhia is more than enough to take on anything ukraine can throw at them. ukraine is now running into issues with being unable to concentrate its forces, having diverted some of its reserves north to blunt the russian offensive around kupyansk. if ukraine does not take on a defensive posture soon and continues to spend its forces on fruitless attacks, then i am worried this winter will see another russian offensive with devastating results.
 

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I find the analysis by the Apache pilot interesting, there is an analysis by Leopard gunner before this as well.

From what I can tell, there is really no effective way of defending against such attacks, the missiles are launched at a range of 10-12km away, at this range, the helicopter is outside the detection range both the naked eye and thermal cameras. On top of that, it is outside of the range of all known NATO SHORAD systems.

Perhaps we might even see the development of a new Generation of NATO SHORAD systems in response to this, but I doubt they care that much about the experience of their client state.
(Technically there already is such a system, It has been in service for around ~2 years i think but it will never enter Ukro service though.)

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(Technically there already is such a system, It has been in service for around ~2 years i think but it will never enter Ukro service though.)

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missiles have physical limitation of minimum intercept altitude.
This Aster 30 minimum intercept claim is 50m but not tell the range and there is no video of any missile intercept that is low altitude and beyond visual range. The amount of manpower and logistic chain needed to maintain SAMs over wide area make them itself a target.

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The maximum speed of Aster 30 missiles is 1.4km/sec. Aster 30 has the capability to intercept targets at altitudes from 50 m to 20 km. against aircraft targets flying at altitudes above 3 km, the maximum range of the Aster 30 is 100 km. At aircraft targets with altitudes below 3 km, the range of Aster 30 is 50 km.

there is item 305 missile that goes beyond Vikhr range and than variants of Hermes that probably entering now. Put GaN AESA into Ka-52M and it will find tanks and missile launchers at much further distance and if they are adding those missile ranges they have some confidence in its sensor abilities. there is Kh-35/Kh-31 associated with naval Ka-52K.
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Another planned addition to the Ka-52’s arsenal is the Hermes-A, which has a maximum range of 54nm (100km). The new air-launched weapons feature multi-spectral target seekers using laser, elctro-optical, photo-contrast and thermal imaging technologies.
 

Stealthflanker

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Isn't the S1 networked?

Yeah but you are facing low RCS target and flies low enough that ground based radars have problem. and Pantsyr can only do so much.

It still need its own target tracking radar to lock the target and guide the missile on it. it's a command guided missile and it cannot really receive 3rd party guidance or illumination.
 

HighGround

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Yeah but you are facing low RCS target and flies low enough that ground based radars have problem. and Pantsyr can only do so much.

It still need its own target tracking radar to lock the target and guide the missile on it. it's a command guided missile and it cannot really receive 3rd party guidance or illumination.

But as long as it knows ahead of time that something is coming.

The reaction time on the S1 is actually not particularly great, so just the warning a few seconds ahead of time is a pretty big deal.
 
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