The War in the Ukraine

HighGround

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See if Russians can tow those Bradleys and Leopard back. That's gonna make great thropy. Russians can also learn things or two on the composites used in Leopard.

That could offset to what they lost when Ukrainians captured their T-90M's. The munitions and fire control of the leopard could also be of their interests.
I wonder if the Leopard has good composite armor. Never heard anything special about it, unlike the much vaunted Challenger 2 Chobham or Abrams' DU plates. Would be interesting to read the findings in a few months on BMPD or Andrei_btvt's livejournal pages.
 

HighGround

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As for the Ukrainian offensive, I can't say if it's a success or a failure, the only thing certain is that it has barely started and it could last days, weeks or months, and with recycled images of leopards every day, it's not a good gauge. to what extent are the advances


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Careful about reading Noel Reports. He's very... Umm. Enthusiastic. I think OSINTDefender is actually one of the more reliable sources. He tends not to call things until they're more or less confirmed by multiple sources.

Anyway, I don't recall seeing this in the thread, but Russia recaptured Makarovka according to Rybar.

 

Atomicfrog

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Feels a little off topic, but frankly I think it’s pretty damning of how major militaries have taken their eyes off the ball when it comes to de-mining work that no one has developed and fielded an air deployable mine clearing line charge (MCLC).

It can’t be some insurmountable engineering challenge to integrate a MCLC with a flying munitions dispenser so you basically fly a number of those over a minefield and they just deploy enough MCLCs to punch a path through a minefield so your mechanised units can race through at full speed instead of crawling along at the speed of the ABV. If timed well, the massive dust cloud from the MCLC detonations might also serve as an effective smokescreen for the attackers.

This is the sort of thing you would expect a bunch of engineering undergrads to be able to mock up as their final year project since all the major components are basically off-the-shelf items.
MCLC from an helicopter would be nice but hovering near the enemy is hugely suicide you still need airpower for them to do any works... Using road give so many choke points, it cannot be used for assault at all.

Not a lot of solutions to that problem... Carpet bombing with thermobaric MLRS could probably disable most of the mines but if the field is full of deep pit, it will not help the advancing column.
 

Atomicfrog

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See if Russians can tow those Bradleys and Leopard back. That's gonna make great thropy. Russians can also learn things or two on the composites used in Leopard.

That could offset to what they lost when Ukrainians captured their T-90M's. The munitions and fire control of the leopard could also be of their interests.
In the middle of a battle, I would not throw soldiers to retrieve trophies... would be better to toss a fab500 in the middle of disabled vehicules than losing life to get pile of scrap.

Ukraine offensive is in full swing, they certainly know more about Russian defensive system in the region and next waves are going to be harder to stop if they are learning. With the forces commited in the past week, it's hard now to try from scratch elsewhere but it's probably hard to throw brigades where other got hammered badly. Maintaining moral will be hard, they will need a good foothold to procede.
 

Gloire_bb

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I wonder if the Leopard has good composite armor. Never heard anything special about it, unlike the much vaunted Challenger 2 Chobham or Abrams' DU plates. Would be interesting to read the findings in a few months on BMPD or Andrei_btvt's livejournal pages.
All of modern heavy composite armor setups live in more or less similar physics.
After that it's mostly PR.

Light composite setups are, on the other hand, more tricky - they're still not magical, but harder to produce at scale.
 

dingyibvs

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MCLC from an helicopter would be nice but hovering near the enemy is hugely suicide you still need airpower for them to do any works... Using road give so many choke points, it cannot be used for assault at all.

Not a lot of solutions to that problem... Carpet bombing with thermobaric MLRS could probably disable most of the mines but if the field is full of deep pit, it will not help the advancing column.
I think there's a need for a specialized unmanned demining platform. Probably a low flying (1-3 meters or so above the ground) quadcopter that can scan the ground for mines and mark them for destruction via another platform, like a small caliber mortar a few kms back. A system like that should be fairly cheap.
 
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