The War in the Ukraine

Sheleah said:

Taking into account the quality of the images carried by the drones of each side, it is not a secret that the cameras in Russian drones are of mediocre quality compared to the cameras used in Ukrainian FPVs.

In any case, if you are an expert in the colors of the vegetation, it would be good if you explained to us with irrefutable evidence that this is recycling, otherwise, the only ones who are recycling to the point of propagandistic exploitation of images are the pros. Russians

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Yeah right. All these optics are really cheap Chinese commercial stuff, both Russian and Ukrainian.

Here is a Ukrainian FPV drone circling and finishing off some abandoned Z tank. Note the surroundings. Yes, it's green. Like other timely recent within season footage.



Now here's Russian drone footage of a Ukrainian column getting shot to pieces by ATGMs and RPGs at Pervomaiskyi.


Ukrainian APC shot in the face by an RPG or ATGM. You can soldiers evacuate the APC before another ATGM or RPG finishes it off. Or so it seems.


Ukrainian APC and tank spotted by drone and attacked with artillery.

Sheleah said:

well, suppose you don't want to accept the Russian losses,

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Footage of Russians getting attacked gets posted here all the time. The difference is one doesn’t try peddling old footage as current footage.

Sheleah said:

well, suppose you don't want to accept the Russian losses, because they are deniers of the obvious, a little more here

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668581816884932608

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668612028431486977

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Who said the Russians are not losing men/equipment and some ground?

What is your point? We are saying nothing of the sort, this offensive has been prepared for about 1 year. Basically the last Ukrainian bullet as many countries can't supply anything else (German defence minister just said yesterday that they can't give any more Leo2 for example), and this last bullet has managed for the moment to take a few villages, all of them located on a salient by the way.
Of all this material, a significant part has already been destroyed, including a significant part of the engineering vehicles needed to break through the main defensive line.
Our point is clear: if Ukraine does not make a breakthrough this next one or two weeks, the offensive will have been a complete failure, as they will be forced to sit out the war of attrition in which Russia is slowly tearing them apart, and worse, European assistance is likely to be much less now.

Sheleah said:

Why are you still getting into what happened last week? If the Ukrainians have since advanced, and there is a lot of audiovisual material regarding the losses of Russian material, capture of Russian material, Russian POWs, and capture of positions.


For some it seems that the world and the war stopped with the loss of 3 leopards by the Ukrainians, when many more subsequent combat actions have arisen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668574327254466563

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The numbers in the twitter link cites Oryx as the source in a following tweet. Please see the rule on the first page regarding Oryx sources.

The back-and-fourth bickering has dramatically increased in the last 3 pages regarding loss numbers. Everyone's had their chance to make arguments and counter arguments, subsequent responses will be deleted.

Ukrainian Leopard 2A6 in action.....with Wehrmacht style Balkenkreuz decal in the turret roof

As for the Ukrainian offensive, I can't say if it's a success or a failure, the only thing certain is that it has barely started and it could last days, weeks or months, and with recycled images of leopards every day, it's not a good gauge. to what extent are the advances




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It is critical to note that not all terrain is of equal value. I'll avoid terms like "Key Terrain" and "Vital Ground", but some territorial gains are far more important than others. So claims like, "Side A just took ???km2 of territory is so significant", but often it is not! But these statements have propaganda value.
Additionally, one must look at the resources (a terrible term to refer to the human aspect of this, together of course with materiel), that are expended to achieve this territorial gain. Of course, the enemy's "Resource" losses must also be taken into account. What resources does a side need to expend to achieve an aim? Is this a good idea?
In Summary, wait, be patient to understand the true outcome of operations.
Many Youtubers and Forum posters like to rapidly espouse the success or failures of a certain side, way before we know the true outcome. Hopefully, SindoDefenceforum avoids this...

Russian soldiers seize American Bradleys and German Leopard (VIDEO)​

The captured NATO hardware was abandoned by Ukrainians in battle, the Defense Ministry has claimed


Credit: The Russian Defense Ministry

The Russian Defense Ministry has released footage which it said shows Russian troops in Zaporozhye Region inspecting NATO-supplied armor that they captured from its Ukrainian operators.

The video released on Tuesday appears to show an excited Russian soldier circling several damaged pieces of equipment, including a German-made Leopard 2 main battle tank and US-produced Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. He remarked that some of their engines were still running.

“This [explicit] hardware is not as scary as it seemed,” the man is heard saying.

The ministry, which shared the clip on social media, called the Western vehicles “our trophies” and argued that the condition in which they were found “indicates the rapid pace of the engagement and the abandonment of the battle-ready hardware by the Ukrainian armed forces.”

As Kiev was preparing for its counteroffensive against Russia, Western nations supplied it with dozens of armored vehicles, including main battle tanks. Ukrainian officials, including Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov, touted the donated “panzerfist” as a gamechanger in the conflict.

The operation was finally launched last week and has so far failed to bring any dramatic changes on the frontline. Moscow says it has thwarted all Ukrainian attempts to break through its defensive lines.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called the losses of the Ukrainian army “impressive” and blamed the country’s government for taking actions that pushed the situation to the current “tragic” state.

Apparently there is a video around of a Leopard 2A6 getting towed but I've only seen a still, so its hard to tell who is towing it. Also, this Leopard 2A6 is a different one from the one in the parking lot



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Seems to have been recovered by the Ukrainians as it is a Bergepanzer towing it.

See if Russians can tow those Bradleys and Leopard back. That's gonna make great thropy. Russians can also learn things or two on the composites used in Leopard.

That could offset to what they lost when Ukrainians captured their T-90M's. The munitions and fire control of the leopard could also be of their interests.