The War in the Ukraine

sndef888

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This counter offensive's failure is key to ending the war.

Ukraine is already at its peak in mobilisation and weapons deliveries. An inability to break through will signal to the western populace that a breakthrough would require even more direct involvement, which the western populace is unlikely to be happy about. Macron will then seize the opportunity to push for peace talks.
 

sheogorath

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There are claims going around from some pro-RU sources that the main issue the Ukranian push is facing is that they start taking losses before even reaching the Russian defensive lines as they get hit by heavy artillery as soon as they are in range and have trouble making it all the way to engage the Russians.
 

Right_People

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There are claims going around from some pro-RU sources that the main issue the Ukranian push is facing is that they start taking losses before even reaching the Russian defensive lines as they get hit by heavy artillery as soon as they are in range and have trouble making it all the way to engage the Russians.
Yeah, for the moment all the fighting has been in the "grey area", AFU managed to enter some villages but havent been able to hold them for more than half day.
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Situation at Zaporizhia front: Ukrainian Army made substantial gains north of Robotyne/Роботине and are slowly aproaching to the town. On the other hand Russian Army recaptured the town of Lobkove/Лобкове.
 

Deino

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This counter offensive's failure is key to ending the war.


Guy we please stop with any political speculations based on nothing? Again, yers we‘ve seen losses of Western military hardwarte, we have also a lack of „good“ news from the Ukrainian perspective. In fact we simply know barely anything at all and you are already talking of a „offensive's failure“!??

Everyone with a slightest bit of common sense knows that such losses were to be expected; usually the attacking party loses about 1/3 of its force, so losses of Patriot and IRIS-T SAMs Leo 2 and other modern Western systems were simply expected to happen and since we do not know more any such conclusion is misleading.

As such … stop this and wait.
 
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AF-1

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Thats exactly what forums are made for, estimations, guestimations, speculations according to current available informations (basicly similar situation with ALL threads on this forum), weather somebody like those informations or not. As more info arrives, overall image and people`s perception of situation is changing.
According to current available infos, Ukrainian losses (mostly of western armour) are substential, heavy, huge, all documented, while there is no any solid evidence of any important gain...
 

Deino

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Thats exactly what forums are made for, estimations, guestimations, speculations according to current available informations (basicly similar situation with ALL threads on this forum), weather somebody like those informations or not. As more info arrives, overall image and people`s perception of situation is changing.
According to current available infos, Ukrainian losses (mostly of western armour) are substential, heavy, huge, all documented, while there is no any solid evidence of any important gain...


Agreed, based on what we see it looks not as promising as it was - IMO misleadingly to much - expected in the esp. Western media. However - again added with „everyone with common sense“ - we must consider, the lack of information does not equal the lack of events and if you look at various sourses, then several pro-Ukrainian ones indeed report heavy action in different areas with so far unconfirmed success and similar in most pro-Russian sources an endless list of Ukrainian failures, losses and alleged repelled attacks by Russiasn forces.

My point again is, we know not enough and even lesser I think any such „conclusions“ and the spinning of future events based on what we have is barely possible.

For example while some here rate the dam-Desaster already as if it MUST have been be for sure an Ukrainian action, drawing already conclusions based on this alleged „fact“ is IMO not valid since I still rate it as „we have not enough information“ for a conclusion.

again, yes, forums are there to discuss and speculate but here it seems for some the conclusion is already clear, they are presenting these speculations based on the sparse information as proven facts and even more start to make following conclusions …

However reports like this at least IMO more likely point more towards the Russian‘s:


But again, we‘ll see.
 

Zichan

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According to M. Koffman, while the Ukrainian offensive has undoubtedly started since a few days now, what we are seeing is not the main effort. He rests his claim on the fact that the units that could have been seen (naval infantry and regular mechanized infantry) are not part of the brigades Ukraine was specifically preparing for the offensive.
 

Atomicfrog

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Can somebody explain to me why the Ukrainian leadership has been pushing so hard for f-16s? Is it just a morale/propaganda thing to have them in the skies? Every remotely credible military analyst I've seen, including pro Ukraine ones, have repeatedly said it would make basically zero difference since Russian air defenses would force them to fly absurdly low to get close, and even then they would be in serious danger.
Only fighter in number and near replacement in NATO countries in Europe. So if they want fighters whatever the result they will bring.... it's what they can beg for.
 

Gloire_bb

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Video filmed from a Ka-52 firing on an Ukranian column in Zapo. Notable the fact that they are all are static in a single line.

I wanna say the target is a Bradley due to the fact that it seems to be firing an ATGM but the Ka-52's shitty optics make identification hard

Oh. after half a dozen false alarms, this time it actually looks like Bradley in ka-52m sights.
Not exactly a gulf war-style appearance.
 
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