The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

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Looks like inexperienced operator. I think it will only be a matter of time before they start hitting targets. Even 300g warhead is enough to cause damage to sensitive components such as radar antennas and jammers. Russians should be careful from now on.

They have like hundreds of US switchblade drones and have all the chance to use them. Yet the record seems abyssimal with only notable case of hitting supposed FSB agent.
 

RottenPanzer

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A bunch of tanks, including at least 1 Leopard 2 bunched up closely together randomly with hatches opened and no crew? I'd say abandoned is a good guess. Also, what is the vehicle on the bottom right? Is that a Gepard or some type of SPAAG? Perhaps an engineering vehicle? Ukrainians must be conducting an armored push of this magnitude with anti-air, considering the amount of Russian gunships helos, right?
That looks like a Tunguska

Btw, things seems not looking to smooth for the Ukrainian offensive
 

Atomicfrog

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I'd suggest holding expectations for now.

We haven't seen most of brigades of the offensive force yet - not even the majority. So majority of Ukrainian strength, wasn't committed yet. To be fair, however, the strongest of those brigades (and the only ones which more or less deserve the name mechanized), were probably meant for exploitation.

On the other hand, we've seen 3 of them, which isn't exactly little.

No, those aren't probing attacks; combat battalions of 33rd (apparently those are its leos) and 37th suffered very heavily, maybe to the point of losing offensive capability. Those are not the end of that Ukraine can muster, either.

Current results are beyond disappointing - Russian mechanized BtGs at Ugledar failed to pierce through defensive lines; but here, as far as i understand, Ukrainian motorized ones can't even fully get through huge no man's land, at best reaching screening positions of the Ru defense.
That's not exactly impressive.

Also, in practical warfare, Leopards seem to be incredibly vulnerable.
They formed 8 new brigades for that spring offensive (yes it's still spring) and 3 of them is engaged in Zaporizhzia region.

Don't know if the other are waiting to strike the same point or are going elsewhere but they have engaged near half of their new brigades already. It look like they are obligated to use roads to move to bypass minefields. Putting more armors and troops waiting in line going to the front is probably nonconstructive but waves of not enough troops to saturate defences is not giving results...

That offensive will bring no good...
 

Temstar

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Video of the earlier photos now available

Shoigu personally appearing and talking about the counteroffensive so far. More so that what he said, the interesting thing is him saying it. It would suggest by his reckoning things are going better than expected for the Russians and so him appearing in public and getting himself associated with it to claim credit. If things are not going well or in the air he would keep quiet so that he could shift the blame to someone else if necessary.
 

sheogorath

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Btw, things seems not looking to smooth for the Ukrainian offensive

According to The War Zone, it is actually doing fantastic, with claims of advancing up to 10km in several parts of the frontline including Bakhmut. They also claim they totally intended to hit that residential building in Moscow with a drone


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HighGround

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According to The War Zone, it is actually doing fantastic, with claims of advancing up to 10km in several parts of the frontline including Bakhmut. They also claim they totally intended to hit that residential building in Moscow with a drone


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I listened to Dmitri Alperovitch's podcast last night since Rob Lee and Michael Kofman were guests (they are frequent guests of the show).

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They were very much less optimistic about the offensive. Kofman even opined that "There's a WaPo article that'll have a DoD rep who's saying that Ukrainians advanced 5-10km in some placed..." basically implying that these optimistic takes are out of touch with reality.

Now I don't always agree with what Kofman or Rob say, but they are very much in the "sane" camp of military analysis. They are actual professionals who take their jobs seriously unlike the vast mass of OSINTers and Think Tankers who only do it either for the clout or the money (or both). So if Kofman and Rob are basically telling people to temper their expectations, I think that says a lot for the pace of this offensive.

On the other hand, don't let the seeming early Russian success fool you. There are a lot of men and material left to chew through, and Ukrainains/NATO aren't dumb. They know how to fight. While Ukraine probably doesn't want to emulate the disaster in Davydov Brod during the Kherson offensive, Ukraine ultimately won that battle and had good success once they got past the minefields in Northern Kherson oblast. If this is indeed the offensive (and I'm 90% there towards firmly agreeing that it is), then expect Ukraine to either adapt or be smart and call it off. They can simply pause and work on preparing the battlefield even more before re-commencing.
 
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