Pretty obvious they're.
Given that Ukrainian western brigades have 28 tanks/brigade - I guess it is what it is.
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
- Start date
Given that Ukrainian western brigades have 28 tanks/brigade - I guess it is what it is.
If they are abandoned, we probably won't see much proof unless the Russians manage to advance on the area. It is likely the Ukranians might try to recover them before that, though.
It does look a lot like Russia's early push around Ugledar, vehicles getting knocked out by mines forcing the rest through narrow corridors where they are picked off by artillery.
It does look a lot like Russia's early push around Ugledar, vehicles getting knocked out by mines forcing the rest through narrow corridors where they are picked off by artillery.
Last edited:
Do you guys know by any chance how many IRIS-T AFU have/will have???
Grenade through the hatch with a drone ...
A routine procedure at this point
Depends on where specific units are, but in this conflict abandoned within neutral zone means dead.
Copterbombers&FPVs quite consistently burn down vehicles left unprotected with open hatches, unless evacuated soon enough.
Especially in the field, where you just won't be able to cover them with jamming.
Short analysis by Mikael Valtersson. His view is that if there isn't a deliberate grand strategy behind what we are seeing, the Ukranians might have drank their own Kool Aid and understimated the Russian defensive lines in similar way the Russians understimated the Ukranians around Kiev, resulting in a waste of resources and manpower.
I'd suggest holding expectations for now.
We haven't seen most of brigades of the offensive force yet - not even the majority. So majority of Ukrainian strength, wasn't committed yet. To be fair, however, the strongest of those brigades (and the only ones which more or less deserve the name mechanized), were probably meant for exploitation.
On the other hand, we've seen 3 of them, which isn't exactly little.
No, those aren't probing attacks; combat battalions of 33rd (apparently those are its leos) and 37th suffered very heavily, maybe to the point of losing offensive capability. Those are not the end of that Ukraine can muster, either.
Current results are beyond disappointing - Russian mechanized BtGs at Ugledar failed to pierce through defensive lines; but here, as far as i understand, Ukrainian motorized ones can't even fully get through huge no man's land, at best reaching screening positions of the Ru defense.
That's not exactly impressive.
Also, in practical warfare, Leopards seem to be incredibly vulnerable.
We haven't seen most of brigades of the offensive force yet - not even the majority. So majority of Ukrainian strength, wasn't committed yet. To be fair, however, the strongest of those brigades (and the only ones which more or less deserve the name mechanized), were probably meant for exploitation.
On the other hand, we've seen 3 of them, which isn't exactly little.
No, those aren't probing attacks; combat battalions of 33rd (apparently those are its leos) and 37th suffered very heavily, maybe to the point of losing offensive capability. Those are not the end of that Ukraine can muster, either.
Current results are beyond disappointing - Russian mechanized BtGs at Ugledar failed to pierce through defensive lines; but here, as far as i understand, Ukrainian motorized ones can't even fully get through huge no man's land, at best reaching screening positions of the Ru defense.
That's not exactly impressive.
Also, in practical warfare, Leopards seem to be incredibly vulnerable.
Do you have any info on how MRAPs are structured within NATO companies and battalions?
It seems that in Ukraine they have completely replaced other types of vehicles, I am keeping my own count and at the end of the week I will make a summary, but counting vehicles destroyed we are approaching the 3 battalions (90-100).
A fab500 in the middle of those would be spectacular... anyway they supposedly in the middle of a mine field under artillery coverage from both sides. I would not go there trying to tow anything even if they are only stuck in mud.
But if that offensive conclude in a scrapyards in open fields, what both sides will do next ? Russian don't look incline to test Ukrainian defences after Vuhledar... Another front opening ?
Warmat Polish version of lancet clearly misses every target