The War in the Ukraine
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I'm not at all surprised that US sharing ISR data with Ukrainian is giving them a lot of success, I think that's plenty clear since early days of this war.
I am surprised by that statement the Americans made. It suggests they are worried about further Russian escalation? Against possible US assets?
According to Shilao there's an old man, an Ukrainian weapon expert in Beijing who came from Nikolaev who's been hitting the sauce hard in recent days following Moskva's sinking. He's very familiar with the Slava class and the last gig he did before leaving Ukraine for China was on the R-360 Neptune missile, so you can see why the news has hit him hard. Both PLA and North Korea military representative has been trying to get out of him information about the missile.
Neptune is based on Kh-35. Ukrainians purchased some clandestinely from Black Sea Fleet to further develop them into Neptune for export (hence the North Korean interest, they are also facing a certain 10,000 ton+ warship class). You have people like old man who knows both the original missile as well as old Soviet radar very well so they changed Neptune's seeker enough that it's tricky to defend against for old Soviet ships. Nevertheless it's not exactly bleeding edge ASM and if the Americans wanted Moskva sunk it seemed like they would have sent them something more advanced, so I'm not discounting that it may be true and the US was not directly involved.
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Maybe. Tho such escalation would be quite limited. Maybe harassing Forte flight over the Black Sea.
The best other thing Russia can do is to actually deploy A-50's over Black Sea, offsetting NATO surveillance's informational superiority there. It can also serve to protect their fleet against Low flying target.
Russian AEW's so far are using Baranovichi Airbase. This covers most Land border. But there is vulnerable gap near Black Sea.
This could allow possible covert intervention using, say JASSM-ER launched from beyond Russian AEW surveillance coverage. Or actual engagement against Black Sea fleet from within the haven of NATO territory.
Deployment of A-50 there would help cover the potential vulnerability gap.
As seen, coverage against low flying target would be much improved compared to ground/surface based radar In Crimea or BSF's ship. The concern is now whether Ukrainian have long range SAM's particularly S-200, hidden somewhere or an S-300PM with 150 km range 48N6 missile.
The best other thing Russia can do is to actually deploy A-50's over Black Sea, offsetting NATO surveillance's informational superiority there. It can also serve to protect their fleet against Low flying target.
Russian AEW's so far are using Baranovichi Airbase. This covers most Land border. But there is vulnerable gap near Black Sea.
This could allow possible covert intervention using, say JASSM-ER launched from beyond Russian AEW surveillance coverage. Or actual engagement against Black Sea fleet from within the haven of NATO territory.
Deployment of A-50 there would help cover the potential vulnerability gap.
As seen, coverage against low flying target would be much improved compared to ground/surface based radar In Crimea or BSF's ship. The concern is now whether Ukrainian have long range SAM's particularly S-200, hidden somewhere or an S-300PM with 150 km range 48N6 missile.
it is more to keep Europeans in line than anything to do with Russia. Russia got its pilot from US in exchange that would not have happened before.
Ukraine does not have anything resembling a success. its best troops cooked in steel mill. the rest were given run around the country from North to South and now West to East. and than bridges and railway got hit to make them immobile.
Ukraine have only released one video per week of TB-2. Ukraine has not shown tochka strike that directly impact Russian troops.
they should have used more Neptune missiles as they bought more and range is more than tochka.
There was quite a significant advance yesterday just north of Severodeonetsk, with a lot of footage of Ukrainian POW's,
plus other advances in Donetsk River area.
On top of that we then see this:
I claims to be a company from the Ukrainian 79th Brigade saying that we will not fight anymore and slating poor equipment and leadership.
Do we believe this is genuine?
Does anyone know where the 79th Brigade is deployed?
plus other advances in Donetsk River area.
On top of that we then see this:
I claims to be a company from the Ukrainian 79th Brigade saying that we will not fight anymore and slating poor equipment and leadership.
Do we believe this is genuine?
Does anyone know where the 79th Brigade is deployed?
This part of the troops were deployed near Yampil.
Few days ago they surrendered and are now POWs. It looks like a good bye video where they're explaining why they're doing this.
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Another one?
ISR not make much difference if there is no Air and missile power behind it and that mostly for fix targets. Ukraine need E-8 type aircraft within 300km of battlefield for mobile targeting. One TB-2 video per week all they got. One division Neptune should be 72 missiles.
Is that position real ? As it's basically in Romanian water and commercial traffic as well as Oilrig are active there.