I'm just calling them Russian Rebels (RR) but they are roaming Belgorod Oblast with tanks.
Where is the Russian army at? Better question where's the VKS at?
Where is the Russian army at? Better question where's the VKS at?
The War in the Ukraine
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Better question is, where is the proof at? According to maps and videos, Russian Rebels conquered half of Belgorod Oblast already.
Well here is some proof:
Geo location of where tanks were roaming
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Ukrainian offensive headed in reverse.
Ka-52s and Mil-28s unleashed ATGMs. Not sure if they are Leopards, but if these are MaxxPros with full complements, this is a worst outcome in terms of human casualties.
Tank tactics reverting to indirect fire, relatively limiting their casualty rate and offensive capability. This happening to both sides. Still the result turn the tanks to SPGs, taking on fortifications, enemy artillery and SPGs. There are still occasions of direct assault on trenches.
Ka-52s and Mil-28s unleashed ATGMs. Not sure if they are Leopards, but if these are MaxxPros with full complements, this is a worst outcome in terms of human casualties.
Tank tactics reverting to indirect fire, relatively limiting their casualty rate and offensive capability. This happening to both sides. Still the result turn the tanks to SPGs, taking on fortifications, enemy artillery and SPGs. There are still occasions of direct assault on trenches.
I've scoured my Telegrams (I follow both Russian and Ukrainian ones) and can't say I've found anything credible to corroborate the clip. Like I said before, don't immediately believe clips, just tuck them away until you find either more of them, or more evidence. Ukrainian reporting especially at this moment is all over the place. They do have a lot to talk about, to be fair.
The pilots mis-identified a target. Now whether this ends up being true or not, this also emphasizes the constant need for better and better sensors/optics. I have the same issue with some of the T-90M footage sometimes. It can be really hard to tell what they are shooting at sometimes.
In the end of the day, it is who benefits the most if the dam collapsed, that is our perpetrator. For Nord stresm, most of us knew from the day one, it isn't Russia even though the West and MSM accused Russia for carryout the attack. As Russia doesn't gain anything from attacking Nord Stream, on the other hand Ukraine and the US would love to shut down Nord Stream and forced EU nations to cut energy ties with the Russia thoroughly.
For the dam, both sides would be benefited in a way but there are also downsides for both countries if the dam collapsed. It is very difficult to make any conclusion at the moment.
Russia benefited from the dam collapsed as Ukraine offensive would be much more difficult in the short term due to the flooding. However, the flooding washed away many vital defensive positions and trenches. The collapse also made Crimea without water for irrigation or at least substantial amount would be lost.
Ukraine benefited from the dam collapsed as such collapse hurts Crimea and washed away Russian defensive positions. It also can pinpoint any slow progress for all out offensive and blame it on Russian ruthlessness of attacking the dam. However, Ukraine doesn't gain much immediate benefits for attacking the dam. It isn't clear if Ukraine is the perpetrator what is its aim for attacking a dam. But Ukraine does have the tendency to try all sorts of actions rational or irrational and to see which sticks.
For the dam, both sides would be benefited in a way but there are also downsides for both countries if the dam collapsed. It is very difficult to make any conclusion at the moment.
Russia benefited from the dam collapsed as Ukraine offensive would be much more difficult in the short term due to the flooding. However, the flooding washed away many vital defensive positions and trenches. The collapse also made Crimea without water for irrigation or at least substantial amount would be lost.
Ukraine benefited from the dam collapsed as such collapse hurts Crimea and washed away Russian defensive positions. It also can pinpoint any slow progress for all out offensive and blame it on Russian ruthlessness of attacking the dam. However, Ukraine doesn't gain much immediate benefits for attacking the dam. It isn't clear if Ukraine is the perpetrator what is its aim for attacking a dam. But Ukraine does have the tendency to try all sorts of actions rational or irrational and to see which sticks.
Russia may benefit from the dam tactically, Ukraine will benefit from it strategically (Crimea).
Just going by who benefits most, its pretty clear to me who had the best motive to attack the dam
Ka-52 crew are some of the experience i doubt they mis identify and i dont think choppers are the only method of finding targets. The movie changes to UAV mode soon. so some editing involved.
This first time i think Ukrainian mention operational airfield with cruise missile. The location and distance is such that AWACS could have picked income missiles on time. so it is not the same capability what was in beginning of war against Ukraine with lless western airdefense.
So you really think they indeed hit two Leo 2??
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