The War in the Ukraine

Temstar

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Turns out we are normalizing the destruction of dams and nuclear meltdowns in periods of war. China better make a very strongly worded statement against this development.
Isn't this almost identical (and pointless) strategy
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during the Sino-Japanese War?
On a scale of 1-10 how screwed are those Ukrainian DRGs on the little islands on the river right now?
 
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Turns out we are normalizing the destruction of dams and nuclear meltdowns in periods of war. China better make a very strongly worded statement against this development.
The plant is in cold shutdown. Still needs some cooling but that can via diesel generators for a couple of weeks. After that the Russians will be under big pressure to figure something out, but we don't know yet how compromised the cooling water supply is.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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The plant is in cold shutdown. Still needs some cooling but that can via diesel generators for a couple of weeks. After that the Russians will be under big pressure to figure something out, but we don't know yet how compromised the cooling water supply is.
Nuclear plants should have some redundancy in regards to stuff like that, like reduced water level you just pump from a lower elevation. The issues is when your in a war zone if its going to work. For example if reduced water levels means overworking the pumps can fuel and electricity stay intact?
 

FriedButter

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The plant is in cold shutdown. Still needs some cooling but that can via diesel generators for a couple of weeks. After that the Russians will be under big pressure to figure something out, but we don't know yet how compromised the cooling water supply is.

4 of the reactors are on cold shutdown but 2 of the reactors are on hot shutdown since last November. The CEO of Rosenergoatom said if anything happens to the power grid then it would have to be cooled down with diesel generators again. Tho the issue isn’t the power grid but the cooling supply.
 

FriedButter

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Apparently, the upper part of the dam floodgates was destroyed but the underwater structure remains intact with downstream levels raising by 2.5 meters. Collateral damage downstream may not be as severe. Not sure what this means for the NPP cooling system.

The upper part of the key infrastructure was “destroyed as a result of a strike,” the mayor of Novaya Kakhovka, Vladimir Leontyev, confirmed to RIA Novosti. While several of the dam's floodgates were damaged and unleashed an uncontrolled stream of water, the underwater structure itself withstood the attack, the official claimed.

As a result of the incident, the water level downstream has risen by up to 2.5 meters, according to Leontyev, who added there was no need for evacuations thus far.

The dam was reportedly struck around 2am local time. A video captured from a drone has circulated on Telegram, purporting to show the aftermath of the attack, with streams of water seen flowing through the breach.
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So you actually believe Russian narrative but which one? The one where they said Ukraine blew it up or it just collapse because of damage?

Lets use some logic here... Dam blown up now makes it almost impossible for Ukraine to launch an offensive from Kherson for weeks to come. Btw who was in control of the dam again?
 

tank3487

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So you actually believe Russian narrative but which one? The one where they said Ukraine blew it up or it just collapse because of damage?
There was constant artillery strikes on dam from Ukrainian side. It was just question of time before it would collapse. There was no reports of explosion before collapse btw. Just artillery work of Ukrainian side. Either way Kiev dam attack would be equal answer to this.

Lets use some logic here... Dam blown up now makes it almost impossible for Ukraine to launch an offensive from Kherson for weeks to come. Btw who was in control of the dam again?

It had washed away all defence lines of Russian side, both trenches and mines. Water lvl would drop in time. It also decrease water supply to Crimea now and make problems with Russian controlled NPP. At the same time it probably making it easier for Kiev side landing operation for NPP direction due to drop of water.
 

Right_People

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Especially Russians as the dam's reservoir feeds Crimea with water as well as the source for cooling for Energodar. So i feel it's hard to believe if it's Russians.

The Ukraine in other hand, may lose their "island hopping" operations as those islands in the river got flooded. Half of Kherson city and possibly some flooding in Nikolaev. They kinda lose less so more likely to do so.
On the other hand this means the nuclear reactor might not be able to cool itself, also water level above the damn is going down like crazy, this means an assault on the nuclear plant is easier.
The theory Ive heard is that the dam collapsed by itself, since ukraine is a poor country, was poorly maintained to begin with, and had suffered war damage that was not being repaired because when russian engineers approached it they were shot at.
I suppose it was just a question of time before Ukraine would make such move. Russia can make retaliation strikes against Kiev dam now. It would be appropriate response.
Well let's hope that this time the Russians keep the trend of not responding to these provocations, another missing dam will be a humanitarian disaster, even more so in Kiev.
 

sheogorath

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Lets use some logic here... Dam blown up now makes it almost impossible for Ukraine to launch an offensive from Kherson for weeks to come. Btw who was in control of the dam again?

Logic hasn't stopped people from pushing the Russians blew up their own pipelines in the Baltic, so. Also the dam is in no-man's land.

Also, as mentioned it affects the supply of cooling for Energodar and puts Russian defensive lines at risk and affects Crimea water supply, so you know, logic.
 
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