The War in the Ukraine

2handedswordsman

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Exposed American myth? What are you talking about? You act as if M777 came with a cloaking device and somehow Russians were able to defeat it. It's just a Howitzer it is the pro-Russians that have made it something that is not. As for the Patriot it has done its job. It has been targeted by Russia and they have failed to take it out that is just a fact. It's still there and your side has absolute no proof it has been taken out like many in here wish/claim. Btw the Patriot battery is not alone in Kyiv not every missile launch is the Patriot.

And do I really need to get into the Javelin?
The fact is that Kyiv is being battered by dozens of missiles and drones last week including SBU hq. Patriot doing it's job is a bit over the reality.
 

Atomicfrog

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The fact is that Kyiv is being battered by dozens of missiles and drones last week including SBU hq. Patriot doing it's job is a bit over the reality.
I think Patriot is doing what it can, it's just that Patriot numbers are just not enough... They got fails with s-300 into buildings too and bombing targets were also destroyed. It's war and things are thrown in the air and burns.

Now it's more or less two Patriot LR batteries trying to replace most of the 100 active batteries of S-300 long-range air-defense systems with as many as 300 launchers that Ukraine had at the start of the war....give them a break poor things !
 
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Tam

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So. About the destroyed HIMARS, Bradleys, etc.? I mean, pretty impressive destroying the Bradleys before they were even in country.

Never heard official claims about destroying Bradleys. Do you want to produce the actual official MoD claim that they did? I follow the MoD claims closely.

HIMARS destruction is well within plausibility and they often claim HIMARS rocket interception frequently. I remembered the bridge connecting Kherson getting attacked a few times before it was impassable. That's pretty inefficient as the Russians disable bridges in one blow. One attack had only three visible hits on the ground. However HIMARS are fired in bundles of six, which means at least half of the rockets were intercepted mid air, but it's more likely that MLRS are fired en masse and the number of intercepted was much higher.

I don't consider MLRS launcher destruction to be that easy on both sides. While more than possible and they do happen time to time, they happen infrequently even for common Grads, Uragans and Smerchs, that launcher kills are bonus. Your real best resort against MLRS is to destroy their ammo depots that store the rockets.
 
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Tam

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Another 100 or so raiders just crossed the border near Urazovo-Verigovka, supposedly. There are wilder claims, but until there's proof, no need to post.

If the objective is to make the Russians move troops and be spread thinner, I'd say it is going as planned. The Ukrainians commit very minor forces and the Russians are forced to protect the southern border from essentially guerilla raids.

Map tracked in detail and totally wiped in a way worst than the first.

 

Right_People

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His Majesty's Ship? ;)
the translator did a funny ...
I don't consider MLRS launcher destruction to be that easy on both sides.

That's an interesting and true point, even going by Oryx there is only one proof of a destroyed Smerch, and even this proof could be from anyone as it has no ID.

It's been several months since I've looked at the MLRS section of Oryx, and to my surprise they have finally removed the Bureviy that counted as Russian, unless they have put it as Uragan. In the same way, months ago they had 4 or 5 Bureviy's, there have been new videos of Lancets destroying one 1 month ago and this one is not counted by Oryx ...

Well in general it speaks a lot about the reliability of this website ...
 

anzha

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Map tracked in detail and totally wiped in a way worst than the first.

If it forces the Russians to move troops, then it's not a failure, even if incursions are wiped out. Given who some of the fighters are, they are less than savory characters. To paraphrase the CIA, the enemy of my enemy is my cannon fodder for today. It'd be a convenient and cynical disposal method while furthering Ukrainian objectives.

I'll wait and see on whether or not the incursions were stomped or not. They may be. They may not be. Time will tell.
 

anzha

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Some tidbits:

How russians may be using UAVs in Ukraine:

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Reuters reports - grain of salt by some of you - the port of Taman will no longer export LPG:

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A report that popped up on the Russian Ministry site and disappeared real quick about mobilization. No idea if its real or hacked into the system:

Twitter thread: Internet archive:
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