The War in the Ukraine

HighGround

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Which I am not surprsied since the PLA is a professional army and want to maxiumize the quality of their troops. However we have to remember what you said about the PLA and what I said about the US are happening during peacetime, not during a war that requires a draft. We have no clue what would happen to their training timelines if either one of them entered such a war.

I think we also have to keep in mind that a Pacific war will need a lot of specialists. It's an air and naval war, not as big of a need for grunts.

I wonder how a draft would cope with those constraints.
 

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According to information released by Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov on June 1, 2023, Ukraine has already received about 60 Leopard 2 tanks from the allies. "So far we have received about two battalions of 30 tanks each, that is, about 60 units in total," said the Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii

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Right_People

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Can you clarify what you mean by "hooligans" and "ultras"? Im under the impression that the VDV would be after people who want to be more professional soldiers given their elite status.
Hmmm well depending on the country you are from this has one term or another.
In Russian it's "Околофутбола" or "close to football", in the English-speaking world it's known by the term "ultra".
In general, they are the typical people who go to cheer for a football team (usually, but there are other sports), it is common for them to have an ideology. In the case of Russia, they are all quite patriotic.
Eastern hooligans are quite serious in their thing, many top martial artist have/still belong to a ultras "firm"


In the armies of Europe, and taking into account that many people who join the army are nationalists, it is common for many ultras to be professional military personnel. Russia is no exception and many already participated in 2014. For example, this guy apart from the Wagner patch and the medal wears another patch "ТШТП", which indicates that he is an ultra of Spartak Moscow.

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In Ukraine, Azov was formed from nationalists and ultras of the Metalist Kharkiv team, so in general, it is a tried and tested formula.
It is little known, but another of the most famous units of Europe's recent wars, Yugoslavia's famous "Arkan Tigers" had their origin in Delije, an ultra group of Red Star Belgrade.


The main thing in an elite shock unit I think is motivation and they because of their ideology and let's say "militia" past are a good candidate.
Besides the 106th VDV there is another unit formed by ultras, known as the Española, this one has had combat, in fact they were present in Ugledar where they lost some members. Española must be around the 900 members, but they said they are taking in more, amusingly, despite being a nationalist formation, they are one of the few in all the armed forces with women at the front, as snipers ...
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The core of Española is Army veterans, they took part in Mariupol battle, and took the Azov stadium from them, now belongs to them ...
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Poetic in a way ...
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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Hmmm well depending on the country you are from this has one term or another.
In Russian it's "Околофутбола" or "close to football", in the English-speaking world it's known by the term "ultra".
In general, they are the typical people who go to cheer for a football team (usually, but there are other sports), it is common for them to have an ideology. In the case of Russia, they are all quite patriotic.
Eastern hooligans are quite serious in their thing, many top martial artist have/still belong to a ultras "firm"


In the armies of Europe, and taking into account that many people who join the army are nationalists, it is common for many ultras to be professional military personnel. Russia is no exception and many already participated in 2014. For example, this guy apart from the Wagner patch and the medal wears another patch "ТШТП", which indicates that he is an ultra of Spartak Moscow.

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In Ukraine, Azov was formed from nationalists and ultras of the Metalist Kharkiv team, so in general, it is a tried and tested formula.
It is little known, but another of the most famous units of Europe's recent wars, Yugoslavia's famous "Arkan Tigers" had their origin in Delije, an ultra group of Red Star Belgrade.


The main thing in an elite shock unit I think is motivation and they because of their ideology and let's say "militia" past are a good candidate.
Besides the 106th VDV there is another unit formed by ultras, known as the Española, this one has had combat, in fact they were present in Ugledar where they lost some members. Española must be around the 900 members, but they said they are taking in more, amusingly, despite being a nationalist formation, they are one of the few in all the armed forces with women at the front, as snipers ...
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The core of Española is Army veterans, they took part in Mariupol battle, and took the Azov stadium from them, now belongs to them ...
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Poetic in a way ...
That makes a lot of sense. That type of “hooliganism” doesn’t exist in US sports, and those type of brawls are exceptionally rare. And I agree with the shock unit aspect. For example, US Marines and the 82nd Airborne in the Army are known for being fight-loving cults, particularly the Marines.
 

Right_People

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That makes a lot of sense. That type of “hooliganism” doesn’t exist in US sports, and those type of brawls are exceptionally rare. And I agree with the shock unit aspect. For example, US Marines and the 82nd Airborne in the Army are known for being fight-loving cults, particularly the Marines.
And thats actually how biker gangs were born if im not mistaken, Veterans who were like brothers, who could not forget their ties and the adrenaline ...
 

baykalov

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How exactly could you know that fire couldn't be from shelling? Are you there? If not explain why that fire couldn't be from shelling.

There is not a single piece of debris on the ground, not a single blown window. Very strange shelling that only causes fire all over the roof, no other damage. And this building is a dormitory, it is not an administrative building.
 

HighGround

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Hmmm well depending on the country you are from this has one term or another.
In Russian it's "Околофутбола" or "close to football", in the English-speaking world it's known by the term "ultra".
In general, they are the typical people who go to cheer for a football team (usually, but there are other sports), it is common for them to have an ideology. In the case of Russia, they are all quite patriotic.
Eastern hooligans are quite serious in their thing, many top martial artist have/still belong to a ultras "firm"

As a native Russian speaker, this sounds like a mis-translation. It's way too crude to be an actual slang term IMO.

But yes, Espirit De Corps is a powerful thing, and elite units generally foster one for the purposes of morale.
 
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