The War in the Ukraine

anzha

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That building is very on fire. Interesting how nothing around it is touched though. Do it’s on fire from shelling but no broken windows?! Doesn’t look like shelling damage to me. Too neat - shells only hit the roof? This is definitely not what a building looks like after a massive shelling. Am I the only one to think the fire on the building is fake? Almost no debris on the ground... no windows blown out.. this looks like a fake!

There is a lot more video and pictures out there than this. I didn't want to twitter spam the thread.



The telegram channel for Belgorod also said there is fighting, but denies a breakthrough by the Ukrainians or anyone else.

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Seems pretty real to me.
 

vincent

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True. Once a freshly trained soldier goes to their train, they need to be trained even more so by the unit for a while. But the foundation of a professional soldier is established within 5 months for the infantry. The foundation is enough to give the soldier the skills and physicality needed to fight while the additional training will turn them into a really really good soldier.
I read somewhere PLA will not let first year troops participate in a combined armour and infantry assault exercises
 

baykalov

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There is a lot more video and pictures out there than this. I didn't want to twitter spam the thread.



The telegram channel for Belgorod also said there is fighting, but denies a breakthrough by the Ukrainians or anyone else.

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Seems pretty real to me.

I'm not saying nothing happened in Shebekino, but the pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter as usual exaggerate and make an elephant out of a fly.

And the video of the burning roof does look questionable. That fire couldn't possibly be from shelling.
 

SolarWarden

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I'm not saying nothing happened in Shebekino, but the pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter as usual exaggerate and make an elephant out of a fly.

Same goes for the other side. It happens when you're not there in person and rely on pics from others.
And the video of the burning roof does look questionable. That fire couldn't possibly be from shelling.
How exactly could you know that fire couldn't be from shelling? Are you there? If not explain why that fire couldn't be from shelling.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I read somewhere PLA will not let first year troops participate in a combined armour and infantry assault exercises
Which I am not surprised by since the PLA is a professional army who wants to maximize the quality of their troops. However we have to remember what you said about the PLA and what I said about the US are happening during peacetime, not during a war that requires a draft. We have no clue what would happen to their training timelines if either one of them entered such a war.
 
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anzha

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I'm not saying nothing happened in Shebekino, but the pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter as usual exaggerate and make an elephant out of a fly.

I think you will find I have been a strong advocate of being skeptical. Having experience in that part of the world, a lot of experience, I trust none of the combatants. The Russians are full of, ahem. The Ukrainians are spinning so fast they are helicoptering. So, wait and see has been my policy.

That said, I did want to report some things I don't see talked about in the thread so far. I'm fine with being debunked. I've been wrong before and will be so again. It's just a chance to correct and learn.

And the video of the burning roof does look questionable. That fire couldn't possibly be from shelling.

The burning building is definitely not from shelling. The shelling was reported last night. The building can be geolocated though, which is why I selected that picture. It appears to be the administration building. If I implied the building was shelled, my apologies: that was not my intent.

Also, it appears the police station was hit and burning. The Monocrystal factory is claimed to have been hit as well.
 

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On the morning of June 1, as a result of the actions of units of the "Western" group of troops, a new attempt by the Kyiv regime to carry out a terrorist attack against the civilian population of the city of Shebekino, Belgorod Region, was thwarted. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gives a chronology of events:

▪️at 03.57, after an hour-long shelling of the Shebekino international automobile checkpoint on the Russian-Ukrainian border and residential areas of the Novaya Tavolzhanka settlement, the enemy, consisting of three armored combat vehicles, four pickup trucks and 30 militants, attempted to attack in the direction of Volchansk. The enemy was defeated by artillery fire, an armored combat vehicle and up to ten militants were destroyed. The enemy retreated in the direction of Pletenevka.

In addition, a terrorist group of 15 militants tried to enter the territory of the Russian Federation along the left bank of the Siversky Donets River in the direction of Gatishchevo, Novaya Tavolzhanka. Ukrainian terrorists were blown up in a minefield, their remnants were destroyed by Russian artillery.

At the same time, another Ukrainian terrorist group, consisting of 20 militants and two armored combat vehicles, advanced along the right bank of the Siversky Donets towards Novaya Tavolzhanka. The fighters were dispersed. The enemy lost eight militants and an armored fighting vehicle.

▪️At 04:57, two air strikes were carried out on the territory of Ukraine by the army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces on enemy reserves in the areas of Ogurtsovo and Gatishche.

▪️From 06.05 to 06.45 Ukrainian terrorist groups, having increased their efforts, made another attempt to break into the territory of the Russian Federation from the Pletnevka and Volchansk regions. Up to 70 militants, five tanks, four armored fighting vehicles, seven pickup trucks and one Kamaz took part in the attack.

▪️From 06.10 to 06.50 the enemy was struck, as a result of which, after the losses suffered, he withdrew in the direction of Zhovtneve. During the battle, Ukrainian terrorists lost 12 militants, two armored combat vehicles and a pickup truck.

▪️From 07:00 to 09:50, nine air strikes were carried out on the retreating terrorists and enemy reserves in the areas of the settlements of Ogurtsovo, Pletenevka, Staritsa and Volchansk.

In total, more than 50 Ukrainian terrorists, four armored combat vehicles, a combat vehicle of the BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket system, and one pickup truck were destroyed in the border area from Ukraine.

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With all these attacks on the border, it just give Russia the need to reach the Dnieper at the minimum. If not, I cannot see an end of these. They need to hammer it big time. It's a pain politically for Russia to get attacked on their home soil.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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But if they go to operate artillery systems, mbt, mortar, ifv, repair vehicules, operate drones it could take way longer to be proficient. They have way more to learn to operate a mortar than you can feed them in two months. A brigade would certainly be in a sad situation if their mortar support team got only 2 weeks of training on their 2 months basic training to cover my position with 82 millimeter mortar or even one months with an howitzer.
That's true for totally new soldiers. For example, US tank crewmen go through 22 weeks of training (boot camp + mos/actual job training at OSUT). Mortar personal go through a pipeline that is just as long. These two are just as long as the infantry pipeline which is 22 weeks long. However artillery cannon personal only go through 17 weeks of training in total while bradley maintainers go through 22 weeks of training. All of which are trained within 6 months. However IRR equivalent personal such as the 300k mobilized personal are a different story since they already have the training beforehand and just need to do refresher courses. They won't need 6 months of training.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Regarding the issue of training, it varies a lot from unit to unit, as you rightly said.
Some volunteer friends of mine with previous experience joined a unit, they had previous military experience and their training was a quick refresher, a few weeks, between 1 and 2 months I would say.

Then we have for example the example of the 106th VDV, this is a new unit, made up of volunteers, some with experience and some without.
It is a unit made up of ultras and hooligans from the Russian capital, so it is relatively easy to keep track of them, as they have a large information footprint even in their media.
They have not yet entered combat and the unit was formed at the end of 2022. Actually, they have been training for more than 6 months, although being VDV they may be better trained.
Can you clarify what you mean by "hooligans" and "ultras"? Im under the impression that the VDV would be after people who want to be more professional soldiers given their elite status.
 
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