The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Well old tank is old tank unfortunately. If those destined for Russian army frontlines. They might not be very suitable. But if they're destined for LPR/DPR unit or "new" territorial defense unit in occupied territory in rear line, they would be suitable.
I see them for keeping ground behind, would build up LPR/DPR mechanized forces too. I didn't see a lot of MBT vs MBT warfare, most video is MBT vs structures or diverse standoff and artillery barrages. These old piles of metal are still good deterrent for keeping the rear in check , they are also able to destroy fortifications and pound buildings the same way than new.

The big question is do they keep their newer tank reserve or these where more easy to send ? Or they don't have any left in good condition ???
 
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gelgoog

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That's reinforcement, some say they are old junk but still, these upgraded T-62m have been used in South Ossetia war and Second Chechen War and are on reserve duty in the Russian army. These have modernization package fielded in the mid 80s (1983 for T-62m) that make them suitable for second line duty in Ukraine.

This is crap. At least they should put some extra protection in it. Well I guess it is better than being dismounted.
The MVD also used the T-62 in Chechnya so maybe these are for Rosgvardiya.
 

Maikeru

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Most of the losses are wheeled vehicles not tanks. Even if you believe his numbers that isn't even 10% of equipment loss from vehicles in service. Not even talking about stocks.
And what percentage of the total losses have been visually confirmed? Even if you don't believe Oryx (although there's no reason not to) his images only show an unknown % of total Russian losses.
 

Richard Santos

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Well old tank is old tank unfortunately. If those destined for Russian army frontlines. They might not be very suitable. But if they're destined for LPR/DPR unit or "new" territorial defense unit in occupied territory in rear line, they would be suitable.

It actually depends on what are the threats facing Russian tanks.

T-72/T-90 were designed to be much more survivable than the T-62 against threats were materializing in the early 1970s to late 1990s, and what future threats were expected to materialize over the next 10 years or so from the vantage point of those dates.

that does not automatically mean they remain substantially more survival than the T-62 against threats that have materialized that were not anticipated at the time of their specifications. For example, Against top attack by weapons designed to defeat ERA I suspect the T-62 would not fare significantly worse than most T-72/T-90. For that matter I suspect a Sherman wouldn’t fare much worse either.

it could well be that the russians did an analysis of their tank losses and concluded major portions of existing T-72/T-90 inventory were in fact not substantially more survivable than the T-62 against major portions of the threat. If that were the case, then it makes perfect sense for them to pull available T-72/T-90 out of the line for refit and modernization, because their modernization value and potential no doubt remain much greater, and make up the temporary front line shortage that causes with T-62, which for the moment would perform almost as well.
 

Maikeru

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It actually depends on what are the threats facing Russian tanks.

T-72/T-90 were designed to be much more survivable than the T-62 against threats were materializing in the early 1970s to late 1990s, and what future threats were expected to materialize over the next 10 years or so from the vantage point of those dates.

that does not automatically mean they remain substantially more survival than the T-62 against threats that have materialized that were not anticipated at the time of their specifications.

it could well be that the russians did an analysis of their tank losses and concluded major portions of existing T-72/T-90 inventory were in fact not substantially more survivable than the T-62 against major portions of the threat. If that were the case, then it makes perfect sense for them to pull available T-72/T-90 out of the line for refit, because their modernization value no doubt remain greater, and make up the resulting front line shortage with T-62, which for the moment would perform almost as well.
Or it could well be that they're just desperate, have suffered crippling losses of their more modern tanks and the much vaunted reserve vehicles fleet is largely rusting piles of junk with everything removable long since stripped and sold.

Another issue - T62 requires 4 crew including loader, where will they get those from? As well as the 115mm ammo?
 

james smith esq

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Well old tank is old tank unfortunately. If those destined for Russian army frontlines. They might not be very suitable. But if they're destined for LPR/DPR unit or "new" territorial defense unit in occupied territory in rear line, they would be suitable.
Possibly to be dug in against potential counter-attack(s)? Or used to consolidate, freeing-up first-line tanks for future assaults?
 
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