The Russians after May, 16th would disagree with your statement.
And mods this post had no sarcasm or snark in it just facts.
The War in the Ukraine
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And mods this post had no sarcasm or snark in it just facts.
The US would not oppose shipments of F-16s to Ukraine, in case of formal requests from its allies...
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I think everyone opining about the exact number of missiles shot down and the capability of this or that platform are falling into a narrative trap set by Ukraine, and this includes those who are politically pro-Russia. Namely, Russia's operational goal at this point is not the degradation of Ukrainian infrastructure, or demoralizing the Ukrainian people, or even the destruction of C4 centers, which it has never even attempted. It is exclusively to force them to run down their stocks of increasingly scarce and difficult to replace SAMs such that their air defense network becomes degraded to the point where Russian air power can be employed more freely. And don't take it exclusively from me, Micheal Kofman, who is very much pro-Ukraine politically, has been saying the same thing since the bombardments started all the way back in October. The implication of this is that it really doesn't matter, like at all, whether Russian missiles actually make it to their purported 'targets', the only thing that matters is that Ukraine try as hard as it can to shoot them down. This is also probably why they have switched from a strategy of many cruise missiles to a smaller number of ballistic ones: more missiles need to be launched for a guaranteed kill on a ballistic, so it's a more cost effective way to run down Ukraine's ammo stocks.
And for the record, the leaks made very clear that Ukraine is essentially out of ammunition for Soviet-era air defense platforms. That's why the patriots were transferred with such urgency and have been given such a prominent position in their wartime propaganda.
And for the record, the leaks made very clear that Ukraine is essentially out of ammunition for Soviet-era air defense platforms. That's why the patriots were transferred with such urgency and have been given such a prominent position in their wartime propaganda.
This is such a problematic post. You are now going inside his head and assuming what his intention was. My question to you now is how do you know this is what he was doing? You don't know if this was the first pic that came up when he google.
Questioning the effectiveness of the new American platforms is relevant. Yes, according to the leaks 75% of the Ukraine's pre-war SAM platforms were taken out. However that still meant that the Ukrainians had close to 100 platforms of various types for air defence, which has been at least been successful enough to keep the VVS at bay up until now.
All of that will be replaced with 12 Patriot systems, operated by people who probably didn't know what they were in January. Seems like the Ukrainians are being made to do more with less both numerically and qualitatively.
I think some here need to reread the leaked documents. They seem to believe the Ukrainians have a capability the Americans themselves don't think they have.
Why should the Ukrainians use such few missiles? It's not like they're paying for them.
Can anyone re-share the supposed "leak" documents that were shown few months ago? I haven't gotten the chance for looking it up myself
Isn't the image a F-2A by Japan.
Well close enough to being an F-16's. One thing apparently, US not gonna send their stocks of F-16's. Maybe Norway's F-16's or Netherlands or maybe Belgium.
Although ideally it should be US or maybe Turkey, as Turkey have factory level maintenance facility for them and enough numbers to not deplete their own air force.
Although ideally it should be US or maybe Turkey, as Turkey have factory level maintenance facility for them and enough numbers to not deplete their own air force.
Realistically its pilfering the EU. Have little controlled EU countries like Denmark send used planes, then have them compensated via the common fund from Germany. US MIC gets paid when they order newer units, Germans foot the bill.