The War in the Ukraine

Right_People said:

I wonder, what happens if you attack an ammo dump that has thousand of DU shells? Would the area become poisoned?

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An high amount of lead, mercury, other heavy metals and chemical will certainly make the area poisoned anyway.

DU is a pain if sprayed all over the place from autocannon like 30mm /20 mm. A couple of MBT tank rounds have way smaller footprint than full burst suppressing fire.

Right_People said:

I said in the deleted comment, that the political future of Russia is interesting ...

Anyway, what ever was hit in Khmelnitsky today, was huge:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657418253587689472

That mushroom looks nuclear-sized, a few hundred tonnes of ammunition must have evaporated there.

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Gerans are the culprits for these attacks here. Biggest explosion of the war so far. There appears to be a few explosions not one, so a few drones made hits.

Entire Ukraine goes into air defense alert.

Kaliber strikes landing in depots, here at Ternopil.


Iskander hitting a depot at Kharkhiv.


ATGM from the Russian 85th Brigade against a Ukrainian infantry group, who are walking all bunched up together. Thermals used here.


Another Ukrainian company gets hit by artillery using thermals.


This looks like a Typhoon MRAP.


Engineering vehicle PZM-2 gets hit by a Lancet.


More dead vehicles on the Road of Death traffic situation report.



AGM-88 below a MiG-29 wing.

Dark Father said:

A new update about the situation in Bakhmut.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657437139045416960

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no indication at all that russians suffered heavy casualties, or any units cutoff and surrendered en mass, which usually happens when you have a disorderly retreat under pressure. so far it seems to be orderly retreat to pre-dug positions.

drowingfish said:

no indication at all that russians suffered heavy casualties, or any units cutoff and surrendered en mass, which usually happens when you have a disorderly retreat under pressure. so far it seems to be orderly retreat to pre-dug positions.

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Clearly it look like the Russian army sat on their bum after relieving Wagner without doing nothing... no dug in, not fortification nada. The soil dried up, Ukrainian forces started to move and they just left their positions while lobing artillery.

You lose ground but not a lot of troops. The problem is losing troops taking it back. Maybe they count again on Wagner or Chechen... Wagner will throw the sponge someday for real, it cannot continue like that forever.

TASS, May 13. The Su-34 fighter jet crashed on Saturday in the Bryansk region. This was reported to TASS by the emergency services.
"The Su-34 crashed near the Ukrainian border. The fate of those on board is being established," the source said.
According to him, the circumstances of the crash are being investigated.
Earlier, a Mi-8 helicopter crashed in the Bryansk region. Two crew members were killed.


MOSCOW, May 13. /TASS/. Ukraine’s air forces have attacked two civil enterprises in the city of Lugansk using Storm Shadow missiles, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported on Saturday, adding that the attack caused casualties, including six children.

"On May 12, at around 6:30 p.m. Moscow time the Ukrainian air forces’ combat aircraft carried out a missile strike on the polymer maker Polipak and the meat-processing enterprise Milam in the city of Lugansk. The attack used Storm Shadow air missiles supplied by the UK to the Kiev regime despite London’s statements that those weapons would not be used in attacks on civil facilities. Residential houses in the vicinity were damaged. Casualties were reported, including six children," he said.

Fighter aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces downed both the Su-24 that carried out the attack and the MiG-29 fighter that covered it, Konashenkov added.

You should try reading about US aircraft losses in Vietnam, a country which had proper air defenses. Even now Russian fighter losses are not that high. Losses for helicopters are higher than for fighters, but again, the US lost way more helicopters in Vietnam.


Russia will eventually adapt and improve its SEAD capabilities. Much like the US did in Vietnam, and the Soviets did in Afghanistan. Already there are several programs in the pipeline like the Su-34NVO program which should significantly improve their capabilities in this regard.

Atomicfrog said:

Clearly it look like the Russian army sat on their bum after relieving Wagner without doing nothing... no dug in, not fortification nada. The soil dried up, Ukrainian forces started to move and they just left their positions while lobing artillery.

You lose ground but not a lot of troops. The problem is losing troops taking it back. Maybe they count again on Wagner or Chechen... Wagner will throw the sponge someday for real, it cannot continue like that forever.

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the russian army likely did nothing, but pre-dug positions would have been constructed by wagners further back, thats why they are running that way.

What's going on with Prigozhin what is he up to?

And I don't know if anybody notice but @0:39 he said the enemy LIBERATED Chasiv Yar.
Slip of the tongue?

If of course he said that I don't understand Russian I'm just going by what interpreter is typing.

With the entire Western powers supporting Ukraine against Russia and Russia self-handicapped by not mobilizing and not enacting wartime production, the outcome of recent defeats is all but certain.

However, it is unreasonable to claim such defeats is strategical or fatal. Remember a few years ago, everyone claimed Al Assad is finished and his days are numbered that he has no way to win the civil war. Well, all those military geniuses are wrong. Al Assad survived and fought his way back and won the civil war.

I am not saying Russia would reemerge victorious because I haven't seemed Russia's will to fight or got what it takes to win the war. However, all doom and gloom of incoming Russia's strategic defeat is premature. War is unpredictable and has many variant. We don't even know if this is a short war or a long war. If Russia got the will or the West got what it takes for a long war. How long and how much can Ukraine fought like the way they did. Do they have enough manpower or are they running out of men.

Members need to act more maturely and stop making grand statement. Battles have been fought, gains have been made, but either side has made any knockout blow yet.