The War in the Ukraine

According to this map, the Russians are getting pushed back despite the main body of the Ukrainian offensive not being launched yet.

Second warning: act mature and stop posting in a sneering manner. Otherwise, you will go on a vacation for a while from this thread.

-LawLeadsToPeace

Soldier30 said:

Published footage of the impact of the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet" in the new Ukrainian EW station "Bukovel-AD". The Bukovel-AD electronic warfare complex was put into service in 2016 and is designed to combat drones. According to the developers, the complex suppresses the GPPS navigation of the Russian Orlan-10 UAVs at a distance of up to 100 km, the usual jamming radius: drones is up to 20 km, the deployment time of the complex is 2 minutes. The "Bukovel-AD" installation is placed on various chassis. As a result of the impact of the Lancet kamikaze drone, the Bukovel-AD electronic warfare complex burned down.

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Certainly didn't surpress both the Lancet drone, nor the Orlan drone who spotted it, geolocated it, summoned the Lancet, then watched over it as the Lancet arrived and smacked it.

Soldier30 said:

Published footage of the impact of the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet" in the new Ukrainian EW station "Bukovel-AD". The Bukovel-AD electronic warfare complex was put into service in 2016 and is designed to combat drones. According to the developers, the complex suppresses the GPPS navigation of the Russian Orlan-10 UAVs at a distance of up to 100 km, the usual jamming radius: drones is up to 20 km, the deployment time of the complex is 2 minutes. The "Bukovel-AD" installation is placed on various chassis. As a result of the impact of the Lancet kamikaze drone, the Bukovel-AD electronic warfare complex burned down.

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Certainly didn't surpress both the Lancet drone, nor the Orlan drone who spotted it, geolocated it, summoned the Lancet, then watched over it as the Lancet arrived and smacked it.

Tam said:

Certainly didn't surpress both the Lancet drone, nor the Orlan drone who spotted it, geolocated it, summoned the Lancet, then watched over it as the Lancet arrived and smacked it.

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Is this failure possibly due to the jammer not recognizing the frequencies the drones were on?

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Is this failure possibly due to the jammer not recognizing the frequencies the drones were on?

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I have no idea. It could be the drones are operating on a wider variety of frequencies and they have the ability to 'hop' from a jammed band to a clear one. But this is an old trick in the book that jammers are supposed to also counter.

Another possible reason is they failed to intercept or detect the drone signals, which could mean the Russians are constantly altering usage frequencies to make known databased ones obsolete.

It is really surprising that they are not being able to neutralise the Lancets, they have many examples captured for study, effective countermeasures should have already been implemented.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Is this failure possibly due to the jammer not recognizing the frequencies the drones were on?

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Maybe they have implemented frequency hopping for them. I do remember one of the articles regarding why the HARMs weren't working as well, besides the integrations limitations with the launchers, was that the russians were toying with their radars frequency which was messing up the HARM ability to pick them up.

Stealthflanker said:

It's not the problem of defeat it's the problem of how many they can intercept. You are not expecting 1-2 missiles but many. They'll come en masse and there just not enough Pantsyrs or AD to cover the whole front.

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One of the articles mentions that a single Su-24 will be modified as the cost of the missile and conversion was to high.

Right_People said:

It is really surprising that they are not being able to neutralise the Lancets, they have many examples captured for study, effective countermeasures should have already been implemented.

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Really? … and in return it is surprising taht the Russian Forces were not able to implement countermeasures against Javelins!

Deino said:

Really? … and in return it is surprising taht the Russian Forces were not able to implement countermeasures against Javelins!

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No it is not.

The Javelin is an autonomous, shoot-and-forget, infra-red homing system, with a range of 2-4km at a speed of 300m/sec.
So you can't really jam it.

Meanwhile the Lancet is a TV-guided system, with a range of about 30km and a slow flight speed of about 100km/h, there is more time to detect it. All indications are that the final guidance phase is done using a third drone as a repeater. In other words, despite the billions of euros provided, neither the lancet nor the target detection/signal repeater drone is being interfered with.

Furthermore, we have seen the T-90Ms make use of these thermal blankets in large numbers to camouflage the heat/infrared footprint and therefore it is a countermeasure that seems to be successful considering that the tank seems to have a high survival rate on the front line.

sheogorath said:

Maybe they have implemented frequency hopping for them. I do remember one of the articles regarding why the HARMs weren't working as well, besides the integrations limitations with the launchers, was that the russians were toying with their radars frequency which was messing up the HARM ability to pick them up.

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I'm not sure if it's the Russians as frequency hopping is supposed a standard today. I feel that it's how Ukrainian forces using it that matters. Since they lacked the Iron hand system to cue the missile. They have to rely on NATO intelligence which may not be necessarily real time to tune the missile. Then they launched it to the area of the target hoping that Russian air defense are still there and emitting.

Also the HARM was as you see old batches which may have malfunctions.

sheogorath said:

One of the articles mentions that a single Su-24 will be modified as the cost of the missile and conversion was to high.

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Too bad but not gonna count on that. It doesnt make any sense tho to only modify one aircraft. Unless they believe it's a silver bullet that will get through the defenses without being intercepted.