The War in the Ukraine

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The Russian military used the Ukrainian captured anti-tank complex "Stugna-P" to strike at the fortified positions of the Ukrainian army.


Russian soldiers carried a wounded Ukrainian soldier for two kilometers, who was abandoned by his squad, the video was published to show that there should be a manifestation of humanity even in war.


French self-propelled guns "Caesar" manufactured by Nexter were spotted in Ukraine. The Caesar self-propelled gun entered service in France in 2003. The ACS has a 155-mm caliber and can carry up to 18 shells, the installation crew is 5 people, but it is possible to control three. The ACS is equipped with a Sigma-30 fire control system, with a NAVSTAR navigation system receiver. The installation is easy to maintain and manage. The rate of fire of the ACS is 6 rounds per minute. The maximum firing range when using active-reactive ammunition is 42 km.

 
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CAESAR is pretty good artillery, much better than M777 if you're using M777 as a towed gun without helicopters to move them.

Fun fact the Chinese PCL-181 is based on the same concept as CAESAR, but with slightly higher level of automation and more compact design. France has a new 8x8 version of CAESAR that's got higher automation than PCL-181 with semi-automatic loading for both shell and powder charge (instead of shell only for original CAESAR and PCL-181), but hell will freeze over before Ukraine get any of those.

Original CAESAR loading cycle:

PCL-181 loading cycle, doesn't show the loader that handles powder on the other side but it's manual as with the original CAESAR:

CAESAR 8X8 loading cycle, note the twin arms
Downside with all that automation is it's much heavier, much bulkier and much more expensive then the old version. The gun's breech is also much much higher compared to both old CAESAR and PCL-181 so if the loader arms fail you're screwed and will be hell of a job to load by hand.
 
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Temstar said:
CAESAR is pretty good artillery, much better than M777 if you're using M777 as a towed gun without helicopters to move them.

Fun fact the Chinese PCL-181 is based on the same concept as CAESAR, but with slightly higher level of automation and more compact design. France has a new 8x8 version of CAESAR that's got higher automation than PCL-181 with semi-automatic loading for both shell and powder charge (instead of shell only for original CAESAR and PCL-181), but hell will freeze over before Ukraine get any of those.

Original CAESAR loading cycle:

PCL-181 loading cycle, doesn't show the loader that handles powder on the other side but it's manual as with the original CAESAR:

CAESAR 8X8 loading cycle, note the twin arms
Downside with all that automation is it's much heavier, much bulkier and much more expensive then the old version. The gun's breech is also much much higher compared to both old CAESAR and PCL-181 so if the loader arms fail you're screwed and will be hell of a job to load by hand.
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This was discussed in the SPG thread, but there was never a satisfactory answer. It appears that PLA is using a special unitary 155mm shell vs 2 piece NATO standard. CAESAR isn’t ejecting a casing
 
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Temstar said:
CAESAR is pretty good artillery, much better than M777 if you're using M777 as a towed gun without helicopters to move them.

Fun fact the Chinese PCL-181 is based on the same concept as CAESAR, but with slightly higher level of automation and more compact design. France has a new 8x8 version of CAESAR that's got higher automation than PCL-181 with semi-automatic loading for both shell and powder charge (instead of shell only for original CAESAR and PCL-181), but hell will freeze over before Ukraine get any of those.

Original CAESAR loading cycle:

PCL-181 loading cycle, doesn't show the loader that handles powder on the other side but it's manual as with the original CAESAR:

CAESAR 8X8 loading cycle, note the twin arms
Downside with all that automation is it's much heavier, much bulkier and much more expensive then the old version. The gun's breech is also much much higher compared to both old CAESAR and PCL-181 so if the loader arms fail you're screwed and will be hell of a job to load by hand.
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The breach height of CAESAR 8X8 appears to be the result of discretionary design decisions, not an unavoidable result of the high level of automation.
 
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