The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog

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"Polish President Andrzej Duda on Tuesday expressed "deep disappointment" that Germany had not provided tanks to his country to make up for the ones Warsaw had sent to Kyiv to fight the Russian assault."

Poland wants modernized Leopard 2s when they gave out old T-72s to Ukraine. No way.
Germany has loads of Leopard 2 A4s in storage but they don't have that many modernized tanks to begin with.
 

ficker22

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"Polish President Andrzej Duda on Tuesday expressed "deep disappointment" that Germany had not provided tanks to his country to make up for the ones Warsaw had sent to Kyiv to fight the Russian assault."

Poland wants modernized Leopard 2s when they gave out old T-72s to Ukraine. No way.
Germany has loads of Leopard 2 A4s in storage but they don't have that many modernized tanks to begin with.


Poland wants this poland wants that.
Germans want Prussian Lands back and now?


Only wish for something if you can enforce your will upon others. Small states should behave.
 

4Runner

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Kissinger says Ukraine should concede territory to Russia to end war​

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What about "winning" in western MSM? Have they changed their minds while I was sleeping?
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Three months of war: Russia underachieves, Ukraine overachieves​

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So what is it? Experts here please update on the current state of the war? Who is winning? Who is losing? Or are they stuck in a stalemate?
 

Zichan

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An unusually neutral language assessment of the current situation in the Donbass by Col. Leighton and the potential for significant territorial cessions on the part of Ukraine. Also, a curious examination of how Russia intends to take advantage of disruptions in the world grain markets and profit from Ukrainian grain.

 

Phead128

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Three months of war: Russia underachieves, Ukraine overachieves​

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So what is it? Experts here please update on the current state of the war? Who is winning? Who is losing? Or are they stuck in a stalemate?

Brief summary so far:
  1. Russia made rapid gains in the south (Kherson/Melitopol) within the 1st week, and a super-long grind to gain Mariupol after 2-3 months. The south was the least defended region.
  2. Northern and northeastern section was a complete waste of time and resources.
  3. Eastern section, Izyum was a major gain; they already occupied Donetsk/Luhansk via Peacekeepers/puppet militias.
Results:
  1. Round one goes Ukraine (mostly to due Russian fuck ups)
  2. Round two is just beginning, Russia beginning to made slow and steady progress in eastern region.
Prediction:
  • This is going to be a long-ass war.
 

supersnoop

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Brief summary so far:
  1. Russia made rapid gains in the south (Kherson/Melitopol) within the 1st week, and a super-long grind to gain Mariupol after 2-3 months. The south was the least defended region.
  2. Northern and northeastern section was a complete waste of time and resources.
  3. Eastern section, Izyum was a major gain; they already occupied Donetsk/Luhansk via Peacekeepers/puppet militias.
Results:
  1. Round one goes Ukraine (mostly to due Russian fuck ups)
  2. Round two is just beginning, Russia beginning to made slow and steady progress in eastern region.
Prediction:
  • This is going to be a long-ass war.
With respect to "round one", I don't think it can be overlooked that the Ukrainian military fights with determination.
However, I think "unlimited" Western support has had one unintended consequence. That same determination has rubbed off onto the Russians.

A short political background...
Putin is often painted as a dictator by the Western media, but this is really a gross mischaracterization. I have seen that even some articles quote Putin's opposition conceding that it is unlikely he would lose any election even if it was totally "free, fair, and transparent". At the heart of it, most Russians do not trust that the West has their best interests at heart. The material support that Ukraine is getting is proving these people correct in their minds.
 

Abominable

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An unusually neutral language assessment of the current situation in the Donbass by Col. Leighton and the potential for significant territorial cessions on the part of Ukraine. Also, a curious examination of how Russia intends to take advantage of disruptions in the world grain markets and profit from Ukrainian grain.

Are Americans that incompetent that they are still guessing what Putin's objectives are? He isn't going to go for a negotiated settlement, even if he takes Donbass. It seems pretty clear to me that at least all of Ukraine is the plan. At least because I have the suspicion that the war is extended to Poland or the Baltics depending on how the Ukraine goes.

It doesn't even make sense to take Donbass if surrounding major cities are still under occupation. Just set it up as a meat grinder and keep letting the Ukrainian walk into it. Eventually they'll either give up or run out of people to send in. Either works fine.

Taking grain is fine and is considered spoils of war. It was probably owned by oligarchs who stole from the Ukrainians. It'll be needed to help pay the costs for rebuilding Ukraine. Once Ukraine is taken productivity will improve significantly and Russia will be one of the top grain exporters again.
 

Abominable

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  1. Northern and northeastern section was a complete waste of time and resources.
The retreat was. If the Russians had employed a proper ROE from the start they could have surrounded Kiev and treated it like Mariupol and this war could have been over already. Instead you had farcical scenes like tanks stopping for traffic, being sent back by Ukrainian police (LOL) who were barricading cities. Instead we've got a slower drawn out campaign which seeks to maximise Ukrainian casualties.

I said this early on, this whole war seems more like a side campaign for the bigger geopolitical battle for Putin.
 

PiSigma

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Poland wants this poland wants that.
Germans want Prussian Lands back and now?


Only wish for something if you can enforce your will upon others. Small states should behave.
I personally hope Germany recover eastern Prussia from Poland. Make a deal with Russia, get Königsberg back and let Russia claim their historical borders and let Russia reabsorb Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Then can build a pipeline directly from Russia to Germany, no more middle man.
 
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