The War in the Ukraine

Breadbox

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People like him keep saying Russia 'lacks a clear strategic objective', but that's just not true, Russia's objective from the start is to seize total political control of Ukraine, for this it requires a full military occupation.

There's no ambiguous objective here, as soon as the Ukrainian will to fight is shown, total war is only way forward. The execution and planning is just extremely flawed/inadequate, causing the objective to be downgraded again and again.
Just to add another thing, the strategic objectives of Russia are quite clear from the outset, seize the political center of Kyiv, as well as to surround and neutralise the bulk of UAF concentration in the east.

Its not a matter of bad strategy as it is a failure of inadequate preparation and self-assessment. I don't think bad intelligence is responsible for this, everyone under the sun believed that Russia is capable of doing this. The failure is in knowing yourself.
 

Right_People

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People like him keep saying Russia 'lacks a clear strategic objective', but that's just not true, Russia's objective from the start is to seize total political control of Ukraine, for this it requires a full military occupation.

There's no ambiguous objective here, as soon as the Ukrainian will to fight is shown, total war is only way forward. The execution and planning is just extremely flawed/inadequate, causing the objective to be downgraded again and again.
Perhaps the objectives were clear to HQ from minute 1.
But the private didn't know what he was going to Ukraine for any more than the average civilian, now the objectives are clear, although it's not clear how much territory they want to occupy.
In general Russia is fighting this war like all its wars.
Starting off as a disaster and gradually improving until it gets things right.
 

Right_People

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Two of them were dropped, one had not exploded and is stuck in the basement of a house nearby, that's a nice fail !

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It has already been picked up this morning:
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That is a little bit misleading. This price ratio is without the guidance kit.
Well, we should also take into account that many of those FABs are maybe 10 or even more years old, so they were cheaper and have already been "amortized" and so on, the great thing about JDAM type stuff is that you can use Cold War stocks, God knows how many dozens of thousands does Russia have in storage, this FAB-3000 was dropped over Mariupol, look at it, this has been sitting in a soviet era stock for decades:
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muddie

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He makes valid points but nothing that has not been already brought up on this forum ages ago.

Basically under preparation, lack of clear objectives, outdated military tactics/strategy, inefficient command structure/government, underestimation of Ukrainian will to fight, and lack of money to use expensive weapons liberally.
He also talks about how Russia only fired 1 Dagger / Kinzhal missile this whole war which is 100% wrong, among a few other dubious facts like 60% of Russian missiles made from imported foreign parts.

This is a bit odd to get wrong, not to mention some Chinese / PLA commentators taking facts directly from Oryx or western sources in their analysis that are highly biased and misleading.
 
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