The War in the Ukraine

defenceman

Junior Member
Registered Member
Hi
Russian are using their kinzhal against Ukrainian air defences
how helpful it will be for Europeans & USA to bring out something
in coming years to defend against these missiles their own territory
is there any possibility to stop these missiles
thank you
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
No way China will provide Russia lethal aid. doing that means forfeiting its relatively transcendent position.

this bakhmut battle is basically the decisive engagement now, will there be a bigger battle later on in the summer? i dont know, but given how much is being thrown at bakhmut now, i would not be surprised that this one dwarves whatever comes up later on. both sides will likely expend huge amount of manpower and materiel, and exhaust themselves before the ground hardens. who knows the carnage might even give some impetus to peace talks.

It might be that way. There are other developing meat grinders however. Time will tell whether these will be as bad as Bakhmut. The first is the front at Limansky-Svatovo-Kremmenaya. The second will be Avdiivka. The third is Marinka. The fourth will be at Ugledar.

After Bakhmut, the battle will focus on Chasov Yar, before the line of trio Konstantinovsky, Kramatorsk and Slavaynsk.

You can see how intense and prioritized the Svatovo-Kremmenaya front is. It's more high tech than the Bakhmut battle. See Terminators.


Plenty of T-90s in this region. In addition you got the Russian paratroopers and the Chechens, as you can see from my posted videos has a similar background environment to the Terminator video.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
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I thinking about the possibility of Ukrianan offensive.

Last year in Kherson they used "die by thousand cuts" tactics.

Means uasage of hundreds/ thousands of mobile vehicles testing the defenses on 10s or 100s of km , and if thre is any hole then it communicated to all unit and all forces concentrated to the weak points.

Now, to repeat this strategy two requirements has to be fulfilled :
1. holes on the frontline
2. quick communication opportunity.


The mobilisation killed the no1, and the startlink terminal hunters killed the no2.
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Now, the other interesting thing is the starlink hunters can reach 10-50 km deep into the frontline.

But we can expect the development of starlink hunt drones, capable to reach hundreds of kms into the ukrainan controled territory.

Means even the communication links of the HIMMARS could be targeted - it can effectivly disable the communication networks of the NATO/Ukrainan army.


It means at the moment the intel and command from the USA/NATO could use cheap assets with real time coordination/information capacity, but if this loop degraded then the only available option is to increase the on field strength of the units, to allow more space for errors.

Now, it means the future requirement of the Ukrainan military to make offensive, or even to keep against the Russian army will increase.
 

Atomicfrog

Major
Registered Member
I thinking about the possibility of Ukrianan offensive.

Last year in Kherson they used "die by thousand cuts" tactics.

Means uasage of hundreds/ thousands of mobile vehicles testing the defenses on 10s or 100s of km , and if thre is any hole then it communicated to all unit and all forces concentrated to the weak points.

Now, to repeat this strategy two requirements has to be fulfilled :
1. holes on the frontline
2. quick communication opportunity.
Repeating Kherson city offensives outside of Kherson would not achieve anything... didn't achieve a lot at Kherson either beside losing troops. HIMARS have done the job with blowing the link to the west bank of the river, that was the nail in the coffin. East of Kherson oblast was therefore untenable, with their backs on a river, with only a destroyed bridge for supply route and with a dam ready to drown their position.

That situation don't exist anywhere else on the front. Russian have more than twice the troops manning that front now. Light vehicules cavalry style charges like in Kharkiv will not work anymore, Russian have reinforced the front, mines have been layed by the two opponents everywhere. Nothing can move swiftly.

The strategy of massing a giant force for a concentrated push could probably enter that defences and create an entry point. Even if they find a weakpoint, that push will become a cauldron prone to be wiped out by the VKS that is more and more active lately. We see Avdiivka getting bombed and air support starting to do their job in Donetsk.

Stalling the front for Ukraine is their only realistic hope... Blocking and stalling Bakmut would stuck the Russian bigtime. That offensive on unprepared defences could bear fruits.
 
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Surpluswarrior

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T-72B4 in testing for delivery. Probably a model from one of the lots. From the firing system, it looks like the model modernized at the Ural factory, as you can see the Sosna-U and the weather system.
It is quoted that the Russians removed 800 T-62M from stock to modernize and this is false, known to be false for months. The factory in the east that will modernize 800 combat tanks is also modernizing T-72B to T-72B4 standard - but instead of Sosna-U, they are receiving the same thermal as T-62M and T-80BV, they even delivered a batch of T -72B4 and T-80BVM this year out of there. Another upgrade is that the commander has a CITV, with the same thermal optronics used for the shooter, but it is not stabilized. There is no exact number of how many are modernized for each one, but they are not just T-62M, there is video of them modernizing T-72 and T-80. In addition, Ural is manufacturing new T-90M, modernizing T-90A to T-90S standard and also modernizing T-72B3 and B3M to T-72B4 standard.

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I tried to follow up on this after the initial release. Through reading translated Russian sources, it seemed as if the announcement was that that tank plant would modernize up to 800 vehicles, including T-62.

So T-62 was part of the modernization plan for that plant, but not 800 of them. The rest would be other vehicles.
 
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