The War in the Ukraine

phrozenflame

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Russia waited for Kiev to restore some electricity and today struck again on the power grid.

Yesterday the Western media was happy to report that after a year there are street lights again in Kharkiv, and today Russia hit Kharkiv again.



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I don't think Russia determines to carry out strategic strikes based on a random news report in one of the western media network.

They started this after Crimea bridge was hit initially.

Unable to keep power out for sustained periods (weeks and months) really does miss the point here. For short term blackouts (few days), people can still manage and it won't really affect morale by alot.

Basically Russia is firing it off whenever they have enough stock to saturate AD, and not enough stock to sustain power shortages for long term.
 

baykalov

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Footage of a flaming thermal power plant in Kiev. Confirmed that CHPP No. 5 of Kievenergo in the Goloseevsky district of the capital was damaged. The explosion in the Svyatoshinsky district of Kiev was confirmed by Vitali Klitschko.



The Kyiv Independent paints a very grim picture for Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut

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tank3487

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Unable to keep power out for sustained periods (weeks and months) really does miss the point here. For short term blackouts (few days), people can still manage and it won't really affect morale by alot.
It is not about morale. But about cost of sustaining Ukraine. With periodical strikes on power generation all industry in Ukraine are dead right now. Which put whole pressure of sustaining Ukraine economy on EU and US. Just yesterday read reports that it had already costed 150 billions of $(including arms). Add to this cost of sanctions and different passive costs due to conflict.

EU and US are rich countries, but they are not botomless on spendings. Especially considering that US for example would need massive increase of spendings to contain China.
 

Topazchen

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Footage of a flaming thermal power plant in Kiev. Confirmed that CHPP No. 5 of Kievenergo in the Goloseevsky district of the capital was damaged. The explosion in the Svyatoshinsky district of Kiev was confirmed by Vitali Klitschko.



The Kyiv Independent paints a very grim picture for Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut

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What's with kyiv independent with such articles - of late - that don't embellish Ukraine's war effort ?
 

Atomicfrog

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I think its mostly missile stocks are running low than changing generals.

Why would changing generals affect the intensity of missile attacks when it makes no sense to stop/slow them down. The only difference the change of generals did was on September when Surovikin took command, and that was because Putin himself decided to start doing missile attacks. It was a strategic choice at that time

Now, however, it doesn't make sense. So most likely the reason is that missile stocks are running low IMO. Because if not, why would any military in the world would willingly lower their intensity of missile strikes?
Maybe they choose to use more missiles now to be sure to saturate air defences. Ukraine air defence have probably adapted themselves to the geran and cruise missiles making small missiles barrages probably less effectives.

Way better to wait for them to repair most before destroying them again.
 

gelgoog

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The strike never totally stopped. There were regular flights of Geran-2 drones every week or two with some cruise missiles in the mix. But yeah this is a quite large cruise missile strike.

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Tam

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From @milchronicles at Telegram

POV from a Ukrainian pickup on the only road left to and from Bakhmut.

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Ukrainian troops continue to retreat from Artyomovsk ( Bahmut ), but doing this every day is becoming more dangerous.

All large routes with good asphalt pavement, along which it was possible to derive equipment, are shot by the ChVK artillery « Wagner » and controlled by Russian aviation.

Numerous territorial defense brigades and mechanized formations of the Ukrainian forces remain to use small country roads, which are blurred from the beginning of the retreat and can be used only a few hours a day, when the temperature drops below zero.

It is almost impossible to use tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and any other military transport on such paths, so Ukrainian units are actively seated on pickups, and civilian small pieces are adapted to tow mortars and trailers with ammunition and equipment.

Nothing larger than a mortar and heavier than a pair of boxes from Artyomovsk can be taken out.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Wow, I just pu together the picture about the events in Vuhledar, and the strategy of the Russians.

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This is not a bomb, this is a demining vehicle.

The Russians send these on the road to blow up mines - ot loaded with air blast, non cratering munitions.

Most likelly the vehicle drive up and down on the target area, and if blown up then they send another one.

Afterwards they sent the units there, but in meantime the Nato trained units with Nato provided munitions mined with artillerythe road.



So, next time the Russian army will use remote controlled demining vehicles on the roads in the front of the convoys - that is the only way to make sure ther is no mines on the road.
 
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