The War in the Ukraine

drowingfish

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Despite the media impression, a lot of it Wagner's fault, Wagner is not alone around Bakhmut. There are units of Russian Aerospace aka paratroopers aka Spetnaz, along with select units of the LPR and DPR. They solidify the flanks, provide artillery support and cover the logistics. Russian Aerospace are located around the south of Chasov Yar. The paratroopers were behind the defense of Kherson, and most notoriously, the fire trap known as the Penis of Kherson. So the non Wagnerites in the area, all know to play defense.

Also the fronts in Limansky, Kupyansk, Avdiivka, Seversk, Kremennaya, Marinka, and even in Ugledar are flaring up and intensifying. They are going to draw reserves one way or another from the AFU. I am especially looking at Avdiivka, which has vulnerable supply lines and is also in a nasty pincer.
yes i have heard of those forces in the area as well though not quite sure what composition, and how the jobs are assigned. the situation remains the same, russians have to close the pocket, and ukrainians have to defeat at least one of the two pincers, i think they prefer the north pincer because it is closer to kramatorsk, and also opens up soledar, and reinforces siversk. this will still be a culminating battle because zelensky has drummed it up to become one. some milbloggers suggested that lyman battles are just as intense which i believe, but politically it is not going to as significant as bakhmut now, the loss of which could seriously undermine zelensky.
 

gelgoog

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Russia has fired missiles that Ukraine cannot intercept. For the first time, 6 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal Daggers were launched at once - Air Force
“Everyone knows what kind of missiles these are, the MiG-31, the daily alarm in Ukraine, which some people no longer comply with. And today these planes did not just fly. And they released as many as 6 "Daggers". I don't recall so many "Daggers" being released during this war at once,” the speaker noted.

However, he adds that, according to intelligence data, there are not many missiles of this type in Russia - as many as 50.
I would not be as presumptive of this as he is. The Kinzhal is basically an air launched Iskander. And the Russians have lots of Iskander launchers and missiles. For example they have 162 Iskander launchers. Each can carry two missiles. If you add the reloads to that you can guess how many they can have in production if they wanted to. The only reason for the Russians to have a limited number of Kinzhals would not have anything to do with production capacity of the missiles themselves but with the lack of launch platforms for it. They only are supposed to have like 10 MiG-31K carrier aircraft. Or at least that was their number back in 2018. So it makes little sense to produce Kinzhal in large volume.

According to M. Koffman, the majority of the cruise missiles Russia has been firing lately are newly built. Therefore, the monthly number of missiles they fire is probably close to their production rate.
By the standards of the US, which used to think had some advantage in cruise missile production and storage, it might seem like the current barrage is a lot. But, Shoigu made an announcement in 2021 which few people believed back then, he corrected that the orders the Russian government had made and taken delivery of the previous two years were not for a couple hundred cruise missiles, but in fact thousands. So Russia can likely make over a thousand cruise missiles a year. And that was in peace time.
 

drowingfish

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The Russian attacks against Ukraine infrastructure is only intended to knock out those infrastructure as a secondary objective. The primary objective is to exhaust Ukrainian AD ammo inventory and to expose Ukrainian batteries to do a semblance of SEAD and DEAD. Not sure if Russia has the ISR capabilities to try to back track Ukrainian missile replenishment efforts to try and find their missile stashes for direct attack.

With that primary objective in mind, large, sporadic missile barrages makes far more sense over low intensity continuous attack.

It may not be a co-incidence that this new mass infrastructure attack happened shortly after footage surfaced of new British supplied SAMs being transported in Ukraine.

It may also be part of the Russian build up activities for either the expected Ukrainian counteroffensive to relieve Bukhmut; and/or Russian’s own spring/summer offensive elsewhere so that they could deploy the VKS fixed wing fast jet fleets more freely.
nah it looks more logistic driven, they produce some missiles, they fire them. no way russia hasnt exhausted its pre-war stock at this point. if russia intends for these strikes to help the front they be hitting logistic nodes and rallying points right now.
 

Atomicfrog

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Many mine could detonate on the second/third vehicle.

Means if they use human operated tanks then they can blow up.


Most likelly it is a cost benefit calculation . Maybe the cost of the BMP smaller than the proper remote mine clearing vehicle. And it blens well.
It still work a bit but like that, even if it blow out some mines, wider mbt track will get others mines anyway.

But using it with a plow or front roller will make him detonate twice the mines before getting disabled... and for wider tracks. It precipitation and desperate move to use it like that or a lack of basic demining tools.
 

Overbom

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The Russian attacks against Ukraine infrastructure is only intended to knock out those infrastructure as a secondary objective. The primary objective is to exhaust Ukrainian AD ammo inventory and to expose Ukrainian batteries to do a semblance of SEAD and DEAD. Not sure if Russia has the ISR capabilities to try to back track Ukrainian missile replenishment efforts to try and find their missile stashes for direct attack.

With that primary objective in mind, large, sporadic missile barrages makes far more sense over low intensity continuous attack.

It may not be a co-incidence that this new mass infrastructure attack happened shortly after footage surfaced of new British supplied SAMs being transported in Ukraine.

It may also be part of the Russian build up activities for either the expected Ukrainian counteroffensive to relieve Bukhmut; and/or Russian’s own spring/summer offensive elsewhere so that they could deploy the VKS fixed wing fast jet fleets more freely.
Sounds like copium. Number 1 strategic purpose in strategic bombings is to exhaust the opponent's potential.

That 1 year after the war there are still electricity plants standing says it all in my opinion. Civilian infrastructure needs a lot of time to build up so why not take it out?

The only answer is probably that Russia's cruise missiles stocks are too low. As a counter example see how the US waged its war against Iraq and what kind of targets it destroyed from the first month of their offensive
 

Anlsvrthng

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Sounds like copium. Number 1 strategic purpose in strategic bombings is to exhaust the opponent's potential.

That 1 year after the war there are still electricity plants standing says it all in my opinion. Civilian infrastructure needs a lot of time to build up so why not take it out?

The only answer is probably that Russia's cruise missiles stocks are too low. As a counter example see how the US waged its war against Iraq and what kind of targets it destroyed from the first month of their offensive
Problem is two folded.


Ukraine economy is in free fall, big part of the population left the country.

Means there is several times higher electical transmission and generation capacity than needed.


Other , bigger is the S-300 systems in the hadns of Ukraine.

They have lot of them, means any bombing with Tu-95 not possible, and without that it is impossible to deliver enought ordenance to destroy everything.


In Iraq the USA destoryed the air defence befor the invasion, and the air defence over there was magnitude(s) less capable than un Ukraine .And Iraq never received AWACS data from the surrounding countries, and satelite information and so on .
 

Michaelsinodef

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Either Russia is completely, utterly, bafflingly retarded, going against quite literally every single tenet of conducting breaching operations - which in fairness, isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility - or you're overanalyzing what is probably just a supersized RC-XD (RC-ZD?) Pro Max being spat out at an enemy position with some sandbags flex taped on top of the thin armor so that it might survive enough hits, and it might keep rolling forward long enough to introduce the targeted UAbros to a neat trick they heard about in Syria.
Your second option sounds the most likely lol, although we ofc can't completely deny the possibility of it being option 1.
 

gelgoog

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Russia has filled vehicles with explosives before, placed close to main transit routes, and detonated them as Ukrainian military columns passed nearby before.

It makes little sense for that explosive laden vehicle to be used for mine clearance. That is not how you do mine clearance and the Russians have specific vehicles for it.
 

foxmulder

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Sounds like copium. Number 1 strategic purpose in strategic bombings is to exhaust the opponent's potential.

That 1 year after the war there are still electricity plants standing says it all in my opinion. Civilian infrastructure needs a lot of time to build up so why not take it out?

The only answer is probably that Russia's cruise missiles stocks are too low. As a counter example see how the US waged its war against Iraq and what kind of targets it destroyed from the first month of their offensive

Nope, not at all. It is only Russia does not want to bring down those infrastructure. Same missiles landing on transformers also good for production facilities. It is just preference.
 
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