The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

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drowingfish said:
i guess this week is the last week in which Ukraine is able to pull people out of bakhmut, it is unthinkable they are actually sending troops there still, unless they are only there to counter the two russian pincers.
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They might be sending in newly conscripted chaff to hold the line while they pull out the veterans.

They might end up loosing more lives this way, but it would be a worthwhile trade-off if this sacrifice allows them to preserve enough of their best fighters.
 
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Atomicfrog

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sheogorath said:
One of Ukranian officer claims they are holding Bakhmut because they are actually winning and bleeding out the Russians and the reserves will come in any time out and help drive them back

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630921050195214337
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How they can bleeding off the Russians, Wagner are not infinite source of troops at all and they are gaining ground each day.

The road is not severed by Wagner because Ukraine are continuing to pour troops in. I would shot only troops and vehicules leaving Bakhmut at this rate.

The only place that I see Russians on the bleeding end is Vuhledar and we don't see what's happening on the Ukrainian side out there at all, beside the city engulfed in flames and getting levelled with them inside...
 
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It seems that the attack on the A-50 was carried out by partisans within Belarus.
Quote from article below:

BYPOL, the Belarusian partisan organisation, said it had used drones to strike the Machulishchy airfield 12km from Minsk, severely damaging a Beriev A-50 airborne early warning and control aircraft (Awacs).

“One of the nine Awacs of the Russian aerospace forces worth $330m (was destroyed),” the group said. “These were drones. The participants of the operation are Belarusians. (They have attained) ‘Victory’ and are now safely outside the country. Everyone has escaped.”

The plane “definitely won’t fly anywhere”, it added.


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F.L. said:
It seems that the attack on the A-50 was carried out by partisans within Belarus.
Quote from article below:

BYPOL, the Belarusian partisan organisation, said it had used drones to strike the Machulishchy airfield 12km from Minsk, severely damaging a Beriev A-50 airborne early warning and control aircraft (Awacs).

“One of the nine Awacs of the Russian aerospace forces worth $330m (was destroyed),” the group said. “These were drones. The participants of the operation are Belarusians. (They have attained) ‘Victory’ and are now safely outside the country. Everyone has escaped.”

The plane “definitely won’t fly anywhere”, it added.


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Hey, the post was edited without me realising it !
I wanted to put "probably intox" as a comment.
 
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sheogorath

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F.L. said:
It seems that the attack on the A-50 was carried out by partisans within Belarus.
Quote from article below:

BYPOL, the Belarusian partisan organisation, said it had used drones to strike the Machulishchy airfield 12km from Minsk, severely damaging a Beriev A-50 airborne early warning and control aircraft (Awacs).

“One of the nine Awacs of the Russian aerospace forces worth $330m (was destroyed),” the group said. “These were drones. The participants of the operation are Belarusians. (They have attained) ‘Victory’ and are now safely outside the country. Everyone has escaped.”

The plane “definitely won’t fly anywhere”, it added.


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Belarusian TV just published a video of the A-50 taxying around Maschulishchy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630988900968587265
 
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supersnoop

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sheogorath said:
NYT Article of how the promises of flooding Ukraine with Leopards have become a trickle

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Apparently some countries have even had opposition from their own Defense Ministers over delivering the tanks and others that were screaming for German permission to send theirs have had second thoughts



One of these countries is Sweden. Politicians want to send tanks but the military doesn't

As for the Leopard 1, they have had to pull instructors out of retirement as most of the people active right now aren't familiar with them anymore.

Also there is a stand-off between the governments and european weapons manufacturers. Politicians want the industry to increase production but the industry wants the money first before attempting to increase production.
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Yes this is a common story now, the Leo2s that didn't happen.
What a joke these politicians are.
There was the one poster who suggested there could be 500 Leo2 in Ukraine and 300 Abrams. I assume that poster was actually the PM of Finland or Sweden.

I wonder how they are organizing the Leo1 training. These guys must be at least 50+. It's hard to pull guys who are retired back to work. They are retired for a reason. Not only that, what do they really remember? Basically you've been playing golf for 5 years, not loading shells. From experience working in an environment that had many un-retired people, you also get situations like "if this happens, then we did this...", but then you realize that tool/part/guy is long gone and you're back to square one.

As to arms manufacturing, I pointed this out a long time ago. It's the old saying, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!".
No one is going to invest in people/materials to boost production unless they get paid first.
 
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drowingfish

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Atomicfrog said:
Ukrainian forces are still sending conscripts everywhere on the front to patch holes and don't give ground easily. I could see Siversk fall in a couple of month after Bakhmut but not a lot more. That front is static.

On the Dnieper side, big cities remains along the river like Zaporizhzhia and Dnipro. Dnipro is probably the worst to take with rivers bording two sides.

The Wagner will be quite softed after Bakhmut and the Russian army look like lemmings in Vuhledar. If they don't have demining vehicules sorted out I cannot see them opening another front or advancing rapidly anywhere. And more they give time to Ukrainian forces the more they will be stuck in minefields stretching to horizon.
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siversky should hold for a bit unless the kupyansk-lyman line gets pushed back. the summer could see ukraine attacking in zaprozhia, and russia attack in kupyansk-lyman. then it just comes down to which side does better defense.
Temstar said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631040158916026371
Russian attack underway towards Khromove and that one area of Bakhmut with the mig statute, the tip of two pincers.
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according to this analysis, once bakhmut is lost ukraine will begin offensive on transnistria. i think it is a pretty good hypothesis. transnistria is too far to get support from russia, and an attack there would take attention away from the bakhmut disaster.
 
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