The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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Zichan said:
According to Lt. general Hertling, Putin is micromanaging the Russian war effort, despite his lack of military training and making the already bad situation worse:
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How would he know?

And Putin isn't a micromanager. When COVID broke out he said that response is left to regional governors and healthcare professionals. Unsurprisingly this was spun to be a profound negative despite Putin also not being a doctor and letting the doctors handle it.

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Putin, too, has been part of the problem. For the bulk of the pandemic, he has remained intentionally aloof and largely isolated from the management of the public health crisis, leaving it instead in the hands of a hodgepodge of regional actors. This is not surprising. Authoritarian leaders around the globe have tried to skirt responsibility and delegate difficult decisions to their underlings.
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So which is it? Is micromanaging when untrained good or bad? Can't have it both ways. A person doesn't change their personality at age 70 either. Is Putin a micromanager or not? Is he trying to shirk responsibility or not? Just pick one and stick with it lmao.
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1527704258610610177
Well well well, after being left behind by his friend Volyna who surrendered on his own yesterday look who decided to come out of his hole.

Apparently Russians are moving him around on his own in a dedicated armored car, as there are plenty of people who might want to take a shot at him.

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Those with OCD can now colour in that last little square.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Phead128 said:
Pretty sure China would go to war against Russia if it joined NATO. China cannot accept US/NATO troops along it's border, it would be more dangerous than Xiongnu/Mongol/Soviet periods to have NATO directly on China's northern border.

NATO is a modern-day incarnation of 8-nation alliance, far bigger threat than 8-nation alliance ever presented.
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Don't think it works like that. If Russia joined NATO, there would be no more NATO. The whole thing was made to hedge against Russia in Europe; if Russia joined, it would dissolve the block as anything meaningful. Russia's application was an offer for peace, to do away with this mentality of splitting Europe. If Russia joined, China could join too LOL NATO with no purpose, no direction, just a bunch of guys hanging out, vetoing every action.
 
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Micromanager has a negative connotation as it implies responsibility for all the fuck ups thus far. However, it is not surprising to hear Putin involved in daily military affairs, given the military operation is his brainchild/baby and his legacy depends on its success. BUT.... Tactics levels? That's suggesting Hitler-type overruling generals, which there is zero evidence for.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Don't think it works like that. If Russia joined NATO, there would be no more NATO. The whole thing was made to hedge against Russia in Europe; if Russia joined, it would dissolve the block as anything meaningful. Russia's application was an offer for peace, to do away with this mentality of splitting Europe. If Russia joined, China could join too LOL NATO with no purpose, no direction, just a bunch of guys hanging out, vetoing every action.
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No, if Russia joined NATO, then the new NATO enemy would be China, India, or any non-White power that remotely challenges Western hegemony. They will never allow China into NATO because it's not white or western power.
 
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Kich said:
We are going way out of topic with Russia in NATO.

But this hypothetical shows how foolishly US runs their diplomacy and foreign policy. They claim China is their bigger threat. Logically, you would think they would try to make Russia an ally but instead they've used Ukraine to bring Russia and China closer. Russia an enemy would be the worst case scenario for China in my opinion. They would be completely surrounded by US allies and be deprived of a rich natural resource exporter in terms of Russia.

I think Nixon was probably the last smart president US had when it came to foreign policy. He always saw the bigger long-term picture.
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I don't think US even has a consensus on who is a bigger threat to it. Hence why the current situation.
 
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GodRektsNoobs

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manqiangrexue said:
Don't think it works like that. If Russia joined NATO, there would be no more NATO. The whole thing was made to hedge against Russia in Europe; if Russia joined, it would dissolve the block as anything meaningful. Russia's application was an offer for peace, to do away with this mentality of splitting Europe. If Russia joined, China could join too LOL NATO with no purpose, no direction, just a bunch of guys hanging out, vetoing every action.
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Hey, I don't mind just a bunch of countries hanging out. NATO country club & conference center has a nice ring to it.
 
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Zelensky talking about pilots.
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Zelenskyy also said that Ukraine lost many pilots of helicopters supplying the Mariupol garrison. "A very large number of people died, our pilots. Unfortunately. Absolutely heroic people who knew that it was difficult, that it was almost impossible to reach Azovstal, bring medicine, food, water, pick up the wounded," he said.
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