The War in the Ukraine

Phead128

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Just warfare 101. Unless pushing to specific, close by objectives, focused narrow front assaults are incredibly easy to counter because you are basically creating salients for the enemy to pinch off and make dumplings with.

In combat history, very rarely have narrow front assaults ever worked out to the benefit of the attacker, which is why such assaults are generally only ever done by the loosing side out of desperation, which ironically generally only served to hasten their ultimate collapse.
I think what he means is concentrating on Donetsk, instead of the Zapo-Donestk-Kharkiv-Luhansk front.

I would have created a Cauldron to bypass the strongest Donestk defenses by a flanking pincer move from the Luhansk. No need to directly assault their most battle hardened and powerful units, just bypass defenses and directly cut them off from supplies and reinforcements. I'm pretty sure this was proposed before Feb 24 invasion a year ago... someone posted a graphic of a Cauldron pincer move.
 

pmc

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Would love someone to explain why Russia persists with attacking across a huge front instead of concentrating their forces to achieve a few breakthroughs in Ukrainian defensive lines and then moving in quickly to exploit the openings

I just dont see how these huge offensives across such a big front can work in Russia's favour unless they somehow more than doubled their committed forces
The same question after a year. the larger the front the more targets to deal with auto cannons ,rockets. Primary weapon is still attack chopper. since attack chopper does not have the range so better make the front wider and closer to the border. this how human capital of opponent is decreased.
This yesterday video about Su-35 but when you look at its content. its about use of attack choppers. i am sure there will be more classified versions of these videos to study.
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The Su-35S crews also carried out air cover for the helicopters while they were conducting air strikes on military installations and equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.


it is the chopper production that got double. all are twin engine and transport choppers also carry rocket pods.
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According to Sergei Chemezov, until recently the State Corporation produced 150-160 helicopters a year, but the intensification of production allows reaching a rate of about 300 helicopters a year.
 

plawolf

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I think what he means is concentrating on Donetsk, instead of the Zapo-Donestk-Kharkiv-Luhansk front.

I would have created a Cauldron to bypass the strongest Donestk defenses by a flanking pincer move from the Luhansk. No need to directly assault their most battle hardened and powerful units, just bypass defenses and directly cut them off from supplies and reinforcements. I'm pretty sure this was proposed before Feb 24 invasion a year ago... someone posted a graphic of a Cauldron pincer move.

And learn nothing from the failure of that original plan?

The original plan was essentially a modern take on the classic blitzkrieg rapid manoeuvring assault.

That kind of assault depended on massed armoured assaults able to break through enemy lines quickly and basically steamroll the defenders.

The problem is that without air dominance to eradicate enemy artillery, any significant armoured formation will just get bombarded to hell by DJI corrected enemy massed artillery before they can even make proper contact with the enemy.

Add to that the vast number of mines seeded all over the place as well as all the trenches and flood of western infantry anti-tank weapons and massed armoured assaults are just going to lead to massed armour and personnel losses for little to no gain.

It’s not like the Russians haven’t been trying, but almost every one of their traditional massed armoured frontal assaults have been beaten back by enemy artillery with little to show for all the losses. They have tried a lot of tactics and the one that works best for their current situation is what they are doing now - broad front press to tie down Ukrainian forces so they cannot gather sufficient forces for major offensives of their own, and find choice locations to just bleed and grind the Ukrainians down at a sustainable pace for Russia.

This puts Ukraine in a bind, they cannot pull forces from the front without risking opposing Russian forces taking advantage and making localised gains and breakthroughs. The meatgrinders are bleeding then dry of men and material, but it’s politically unacceptable to pull out, and even if they do pull out, the Russians will simply find another choice location to push at.

This is why they are so keen to get massive western tanks, IFVs, artillery and fighters infusions so they can go back on the offensive, because the only time they weren’t loosing the war in slow motion was went they managed to achieve breakthroughs during their own offensives.

The problem and challenge for Ukraine is that the Russians are fighting smart and pull back rapidly and in relatively good order even when the Ukrainian do achieve a breakthrough. So they have not been able to catch and destroy any major Russian formations during any of their major offensives. So the cost-benefit ratio works against them even when they are winning, because the Russians easily yield land to preserve troops, while Ukraine pays a heavy blood price for those captured lands.

The only ray of hope for Ukraine would be if the reports of significant losses amongst Russia’s best fighting forces such as airborne, marines and special forces are correct. They might not be killing enough Russians during their past offensives for those offensives to be able to change the general course of slow motion strategic loss for Ukraine, but if they are killing a lot Russia’s best troops with those offensives, then potentially eventually a tipping point might be reached where they can inflict telling losses on the Russians if there aren’t enough of the elites left to pull Russian butts out of the fire.

Of course, Ukraine is also loosing a lot of its best forces in all the offensives and meatgrinders, so this is why it’s now a war of attrition to see who can grind the opponent down first. Again, in such a war, broad press is better and safer than narrow pushes.
 

sheogorath

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Video of how Krasnopols can be guided from the ground.



Seems two rather large bombs were dropped on Avdeeka

Alleged Wagner buses were spotted in Melitopol. Some accounts claim they will be deployed in the Ugledar area to help the offensive there

Zelesnky still refuses to abandon Bakhmut for the time being
 
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Zichan

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although this winter offensive being rushed is very much copium, does this guy have any clue how much planning and preparation is needed for an offensive of this size? operations like the one we are witnessing gets delayed more than they get rushed. even when they do get rushed, i can see bringing the date forward by a couple weeks, while koffman is suggesting that the russian command took a plan for the summer, brought it forward by five months?
Every army worth its salt maintains multiple plans at any point in time. He was suggesting that Surovikin favored a defensive strategy that would’ve given Russia more time to reconstitute its forces and replenish their ammunition to the level required by a major offensive.
 

drowingfish

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Video of how Krasnopols can be guided from the ground.



Seems two rather large bombs were dropped on Avdeeka

Alleged Wagner buses were spotted in Melitopol. Some accounts claim they will be deployed in the Ugledar area to help the offensive there

Zelesnky still refuses to abandon Bakhmut for the time being
why does it sound to me like zelensky is about to let go of bakhmut?
 

drowingfish

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Every army worth its salt maintains multiple plans at any point in time. He was suggesting that Surovikin favored a defensive strategy that would’ve given Russia more time to reconstitute its forces and replenish their ammunition to the level required by a major offensive.
No no that is not how it works. it doesnt matter how many plans you have, once it is set in motion it cannot get changed on a whim like kofman seem to suggest. planning and preparation for offensive and defensive actions are very very different. and this is where kofman's lack of military experience is showing. he thinks that one day russia was sitting around waiting to defend against an ukrainian attack, then suddenly gerasimov became the commander so they took out a plan for attack from their backpacks and went with it? he is actually giving the russian army a lot of credit if he thinks it can do that. this is not even taking into consideration the vast difference in the resources required between operations in the summer and operations in the winter.

scrolling back a few pages, many in this forum including myself expected a russian winter offensive. and i have opined a few times that winter will favor russia over ukraine for many reasons. so far it looks like i am right and kofman is wrong.
 

Tam

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Knocked out YPR-765.


Knocked out Ukrainian BMP-2 being recovered by the Russians. Seen a number of recovered Ukrainian vehicles being redeployed by the Russians such as T-64BV. BMPs have been the all around workhorse of the war for both sides.


BMP-2M and BTR-D Terminator in action at the forests around Kremennaya.


Another BMP with an AA gun on top doing the same.

 
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