The War in the Ukraine

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Abominable

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HighGround said:
That's not really what the report said though. It didn't say that Russia was "winning". Indeed, it is doubtful that any American think tank would ever say that out loud.

What the report said, was that protracted conflicted increases the potential for a direct NATO-Russia conflict and potential Russian nuclear use. Therefore, it is in the interest of United States to facilitate an end to the war. As for who's really "winning". It's far too soon to call it for any side. Ukraine has had a lot of success in the last 6 months, and we've been through periods when Russia was making progress, only to be setback by new forms of Western aid or a successful Ukrainian counter attack.

We'll see how the war goes, but just looking at the situation in Ugledar, there is more ugliness to go through before a resolution to the conflict can be found.
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No think tank is going to openly say America lost are they? They were all claiming America could win right up until the Taliban took Kabul. 50 years on from Vietnam you still get Americans in denial about the massive L they took there. "we didn't lose, it was a tie!"

Going from "lets bleed Russia as much as we can" to "Okay that's enough, time to wrap it up" in less than a year is as much as a tacit acknowledgement of defeat as you'll ever see from a American.

abc123 said:
Entire width of the front? From Kherson to Kharkov? What are they trying to do? Man would have thought that they by now learnt about schwepunkt... Especially it was the whole concept of Soviet Cold War doctrine.

What did Napoleon once said in similar situation: "Are they trying to stop smuggling?"

When former Russian general think's that 7 km Russian progress is insignificant in comparison what the Red Army could in WW2- that's allright. But when I repeat that- that's mocking of Russia.
Obviously you have to be a Russian general to be allowed to mock Russia- presumably they have insider knowledge about the subject.
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Maybe, just maybe, the statement was designed to be as ambiguous as possible? The Russians aren't going to give away the game plan before it's happened.

BTW being from a former Soviet state doesn't automatically give you pro-Russian credentials.
 
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Abominable said:
Maybe, just maybe, the statement was designed to be as ambiguous as possible? The Russians aren't going to give away the game plan before it's happened.
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Whatever the case, Russian troops movements in the north don't give a choice to Ukraine to remove troops from there. Saying it will be a full front advance give enough doubt to keep troops all over the place...

If Russia can make a couple of troop concentrations they can keep Ukrainian forces thin and choose where to fight.
 
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sheogorath

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abc123 said:
But, never mind that, how different? Allright, yes- one country fought against Third Reich ( after 20 mil. dead ), and second fights against Ukraine. It's clear who has stronger enemy to fight.
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In WW2 put the Soviet Uniton, a larger and more industrialized entity than modern Russia on full mobilization with the entirety of its armed forces and industry focused on the war effort. Just in 1944 they made 15.000 T-34's and here you are trying to draw a comparison.
 
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Currently watching this YouTube video from a supposed pro-Australian vlogger with a guest that's been alleged to have been involved or is involved with the Ukrainian forces implicitly stating that Russian Wagner forces are being backed, supplied by China's DJI drones with their latest drone gadgets to support the operations.

The drone stuff is mentioned at 22:00 of the video. Anyone here wants to refute or comment into this? I would like to hear some nugget of wisdom from @Janiz for once rather than just wasting away his expertise with these laughing emojis

 
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The Wagner telegram channel 'Greyzone' has commented that they use Chinese drones and also artillery ammunition from North Korea.

From photographs of Wagner there are basically two types of operator. There are Wagner troops that are equipped in a fairly basic manner (armor vest and a AK-74 with a wooden stock). They often operate side by side by what appears to be more professional personnel, better equipped with communications gear, body armor and with a kitted out weapon (eg. AK-12 or VVS or some other weapon) with a scope, thermal, silencers, improved barrel, etc.

The Wagner men that fought in Syria are mainly of the more professional type, as well the Wagner men first seen in the Ukraine in the spring-summer. Now it's different.
 
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delta115 said:
Your take is based on being logical but at this point it wouldn't be surprise if soon F-16 appear in Ukraine despite all the logistic complication. I mean, I believe we will not see advanced NATO tank on Ukraine but here we are.

The west is getting desperate, their world order is challenged and losing grip on their power bit by bit. Don't expect them to think carefully and be reasonable.

As for F-16, while it would make an impact. I don't think it would be a game changer like HIMAR. MIG-29 capability is not that far from F-16 and Ukraine have plenty of them last years. If anything, this might turn out to be trial by fire for Russia. While they getting their ass kicked from time to time, Russia is about to become the most experienced fighting force in modern battleground (If they willing to learn from their mistake).
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Thats why I always thought the Russians being compared to bears are a great analogy. Slow and lumbering, especially if it’s been hibernating but over time after it shakes off it’s sleep and excess fat, it is able adjust and throw its size and weight to become fearsome opponent.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Currently watching this YouTube video from a supposed pro-Australian vlogger with a guest that's been alleged to have been involved or is involved with the Ukrainian forces implicitly stating that Russian Wagner forces are being backed, supplied by China's DJI drones with their latest drone gadgets to support the operations.

The drone stuff is mentioned at 22:00 of the video. Anyone here wants to refute or comment into this? I would like to hear some nugget of wisdom from @Janiz for once rather than just wasting away his expertise with these laughing emojis

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The Ukrainians also use a ton of DJI, namely the Mavic 3 and Matrice 3000 drones.

DJI does not supply both Russia and Ukraine, and has cut off activation operations.

But this does not stop independent traders to buy DJI from other sources like stores from different countries, and ship them to Russia and Ukraine, where some hacked software is used to activate the drones. There might be modifications to the drone software to assist them in mission roles, like artillery support.

Let me add that the Ukrainians also buy other Chinese drones through channels, circumventing restrictions. Among these are the Mugin 5 drones which are used as long ranged kamekaze drones, likely the culprits on the successful attack on the Russian naval air base in Crimea.

Makes you wonder what if China gets serious with its true military drones.
 
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ATGM kill against an M113.


ATGM used against Ukrainian DRG.


Video is labeled wrongly or misapplied to another video. This depicts a Russian UAV tracking a Ukrainian infantry company to a shelter. Then hit by an artillery in one shot. Either Krasnopols are used or the Russian artillery men are getting good at this.

 
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