The War in the Ukraine

baykalov

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Ukrainian helicopter of State Emergency Service crashed near a kindergarten in Brovary, Kyiv Oblast. The death toll in a helicopter crash in Brovary has risen to 18, including 3 children.
On board the helicopter that crashed in Brovary were the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky and his deputy Yevgeny Enin, both have died, the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.

 

Anlsvrthng

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Ukrainian helicopter of State Emergency Service crashed near a kindergarten in Brovary, Kyiv Oblast. The death toll in a helicopter crash in Brovary has risen to 18, including 3 children.
On board the helicopter that crashed in Brovary were the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky and his deputy Yevgeny Enin, both have died, the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.
Interesting, few days ago goverment adviser speak against the current official line of the goverment, and after giving his resignation like he doesn't care, now the interior minister shoot in Kiev.

Maybe there is a fight between the oligarch/warlord for the control ?

I think the money provided by the USA running thin compared to the ongoning cost of the conflice.

Many warlord lost lot with the strikes on infrastructure.
 

Zichan

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Ukrainian helicopter of State Emergency Service crashed near a kindergarten in Brovary, Kyiv Oblast. The death toll in a helicopter crash in Brovary has risen to 18, including 3 children.
On board the helicopter that crashed in Brovary were the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky and his deputy Yevgeny Enin, both have died, the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.

What a tragedy! According to a CNN reporter, the recently modernized Airbus Super Puma helicopter clipped the edge of the kindergarten building, starting a fire and crashed into the kindergarten playground. All the top level officials of the Interior Ministry perished in the crash.
 
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Atomicfrog

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What a tragedy! According to a CNN reporter, the Airbus Puma helicopter clipped the edge of the kindergarten building, starting a fire and crashed into the kindergarten playground. All the top level officials of the Interior Ministry perished in the crash.
Funny that they don't talk about it turning in circle in fire before going for the kindergarden :

So convenient, no foul play, lol.
According to an eyewitness, the helicopter was already on fire before coming down

 

abc123

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Dont forget the 60 tons tweight is only for tank, the traile+ truck additional 42-43 tons.

Means an abrams on transport 110 tons with the truck+trailer.

So, at the bridge they unload the tank, its pass on its own, overloading only by 50% the bridge, and on the other side goes back : D

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Lot of way to pay, but the main problem is the tank itself has an only 5 meters long contact area.
Means on many places the trailer train will be less stress tothe bridge with its 110 tons than the single tank with its 60 tons.

Quite complicated, in practice every bridge needs individual assesment , the typical weight loads for long trucks , not for small but extremly heavy tanks.

And these are only for slowly, nicely transport the tank on the bridge.

If there is a need for higher speed, with applying the breaks or turning the train then the bridge can jump off from the dilatation supports.
Of course, it's more complicated than I said, but also isn't so simple like "OMG the bridges in Ukraine will collapse as soon as they see first 60+t tank". Of course they will be inspected for state before and after, they will use trailers because it's faster and safer etc. but its war and bringing tanks to the battlefield is more important than will that bridge collapse 10 or even 20 years earlier than planned. So, to say that Western tanks can't arrive from Lvov to say Bakhmut because of bridges- is nonsence.
 
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