The War in the Ukraine

solarz

solarz

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Eventine said:
They are going to end up with a hostile Eastern Europe and NATO on their borders even if they annex all of Ukraine. There is no world in which Russia comes out of this without NATO on their borders. Their best course of action was to show the world how toothless NATO is by executing a quick and easy regime change in Ukraine, but that’s already failed; best they can do now is to force NATO to the negotiating table by a string of victories that show the Russian bear still has teeth.
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The ramifications of a clear Russian victory in Ukraine, whether that's full or partial annexation of Ukraine territory, goes far beyond to that. It would result in a severe blow to NATO prestige.

In hindsight, both sides miscalculated. Russia thought they could get NATO to back down with a quick victory, and for a few days NATO was prepared to write off Ukraine.

However, poor Russian logistics and stronger than expected Ukrainian resistance made NATO see an opportunity to drag Russia into a military quagmire, so they started sending in military support to Ukraine, but they've invested so much into the theatre that their own reputation is now on the line.

Such are the vagaries of war.
 
tankphobia

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anzha said:
Despite the fluff, the hype, the bloviating, and more, we will just have to wait and see what we see. The war isn't going to see massive changes anytime soon, IMO(*). The winter has been VERY warm in relative terms and the ground hasn't frozen. Moving forward with armor is going to be extremely hard: someone posted a stuck M113 and those are only around 12 tons!
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Europe wouldn't offer anywhere near this amount of aid if this winter wasn't so mild, the gas gambit by Russia didn't pan out the way they wanted because of the warmer weather, the sabotage of Nord stream pipeline also forced Europe to go all in on seeking alternative source rather than seek to make peace. while energy prices did shoot up across the board, there was none of the "freeze to death" scenario that many here were claiming would happen. Infact gas prices have fallen to pre-war level, once the inflated price gas during the energy crunch is used up, the gas lever won't work again.

That emboldens Europe at large to continue trickling in weapons and ISR support, since the political capital for them to maintain this level of support is still quite sustainable.
 
Dragon of War

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LawLeadsToPeace said:
the Marder 1A3 (upgrades started in 1988) may be sent to Ukraine and it is an upgraded version of the 1A2 with better armor and internal mechanisms. Plus it is currently the workhorse of the German Armed forces, so it isn't outdated garbage. It'll do just fine and IFV's aren't dedicated anti-IFV vehicles. As long as they give Ukrainian infantry the firepower and mobility to suppress and outmanuever Russian armor and mechanized infantry, it will be fine. However is it a wonder weapon like Western MSM is implying? No. Are 40 enough? Hell no unless the Russian Armed forces decided to just give up.
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Implying the German Armed Forces is in a good state to begin with, such as problems with issuing troops with new up to scratch boots to mismanagement of military funding. I read a story that the German Air Force's Transall C-160's were unfit for travel as rivets were falling out and in-need of maintenance that has been neglected possibly due to mismanagement of funds. Everything in Germany is open source and publicly available so we get to see all the flaws in their system. And the submarine fleet is no where to be seen apparently still being "repaired" same with the transport planes, this removes a vital functionality for NATO. Some reports even made out the Germans used broomsticks painted black in place of machine guns due to lack of funding and low readiness levels.
 
phrozenflame

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tabu said:
A turning point in the war is very likely.

Germany could hand over at least 100 Leo-2a4s
Spain is prepared to hand over 80 Leo-2a4s
The Finns are ready to hand over 80+ Leo-2a4s
Poland is ready to hand over all of its 240 Leo-2a4 and Leo-2a5, but not immediately and only after receiving sufficient numbers of Black Panthers and Abrams in exchange.

In addition, the Norwegians and Danes could provide us with Leo-2s, and perhaps the Canadians as well.
In total, this will amount to around 500-650 Leopard-2s.

If the US also transfers 200-300 Abrams ...
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Your mistake is to assume that your allies seek a 'turning point', no, they will turn this left or right just enough to keep the grinding and conflict going for as long as possible to drain Russia. That's self-interest and obviously, it's the best deal you have because its the only deal on the table, second deal being accepting Putin's terms. Slava Ukrainia etc is for public consumption.
 
baykalov

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Politico: France and Poland are pushing Germany to equip Ukraine with Leopard 2 tanks. France is also examining a request from Kyiv to supply them with Leclerc battle tanks. If Germany relents and sends Leopard tanks, it is likely several other EU countries will too. I think it will happen eventually.

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Atomicfrog

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redion said:
From the latest news their is the very high possibility almost certainly that in the next weapons packages of aid for the Ukrainian Army will include the Stryker MGS off which over 100 vehicles were recently retired from the U.S Army service
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612574213864566786
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Interesting, the m1128 and other stryker are hard to maintain with shortage of spare parts and prone to failure. It's the primary cause of them to be retired. But for a one way use it can work if they are in working order. One person trash is another person treasure.
 
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