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Notice his buddy casually strolling along in the background at 0:40 mark. Totally not a staged TikTok.
Just as well since he literally looks like he is figuring out how to use that MG during that video.
The War in the Ukraine
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Just as well since he literally looks like he is figuring out how to use that MG during that video.
I literally don't understand what the big fuzz is about Marder 2s. They are 1960s IFV with 20mm autocannon and obsolete FCS + protection. Ukraine already operate BMP-2s which outgun them, and Russian BMP-3 are an entire league above them, given an even playing field. They are simply cannon fodder, no different than the M777, M109A3, T-72M1, T-55 which have already been supplied by Ukraine and subsequently used up.
theyre better than M113 tho
Recent satellite overpass of Soledar and surrounding area:
Looks like that cold front has hit big time. Notice there's a large fire burning somewhere around the Soledar Government office.
Latest from the map I use to keep track:
The mapper has probably seen the satellite photo too and has marked out the position of the fire with red dot:
Looks like that cold front has hit big time. Notice there's a large fire burning somewhere around the Soledar Government office.
Latest from the map I use to keep track:
The mapper has probably seen the satellite photo too and has marked out the position of the fire with red dot:
Desperation doesn't care for quality or effectiveness, Ukraine take whatever they can get. In the case of this "war" the Wests old and out of date tech that's just sitting around rusting and costing tax payer money. It's very hard to get rid of out of date and obsolete military equipment, you need a desperate source with no alternative to dish it out to, in this case Ukraine is NATO's dumping ground for old and obsolete military equipment that they have moved on from.
It's just more of the same wunderwaffe rhetoric that the west keeps spouting. Not kidding, the other day I saw a Reddit post claiming that Kontakt-1 ERA on a Ukrainian T-72M was a unique Ukrainian invention designed to stop Ork missiles. Slava Ukraini! Almost as ridiculous as when Twitter Oblast claimed that Maxim guns were superior to modern weapons, and a few days later when Russian troops captured some, insisted that the Russians were so desperate they were dragging useless WWI weapons out of storage.
Quick correction: Marder 1’s are being sent over there. The Marder 2 program started in the 80’s but was cancelled right after the Cold War ended.
As for it being “useless”, according to this video made from a reputable source:
and this site:
the Marder 1A3 (upgrades started in 1988) may be sent to Ukraine and it is an upgraded version of the 1A2 with better armor and internal mechanisms. Plus it is currently the workhorse of the German Armed forces, so it isn't outdated garbage. It'll do just fine and IFV's aren't dedicated anti-IFV vehicles. As long as they give Ukrainian infantry the firepower and mobility to suppress and outmanuever Russian armor and mechanized infantry, it will be fine. However is it a wonder weapon like Western MSM is implying? No. Are 40 enough? Hell no unless the Russian Armed forces decided to just give up.
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I would rate Marder have better protection than BMP's mainly because it does not have to swim. Thus it can devote more weight to armor. 46% of the weight of an IFV or APC is typically devoted to armor protection. Marder is roughly 33 metric tonne thus it boasts some 15 tonne of armor protection, it might protect it to most Russian heavy machineguns and sharpnels.
Ukrainians will use it like their BMP's minus direct river crossings. They will likely put Javelin there or their own Stugna ATGM's To "even" the odds when encountering BMP's or BTR equipped with ATGM's.
Ukrainians will use it like their BMP's minus direct river crossings. They will likely put Javelin there or their own Stugna ATGM's To "even" the odds when encountering BMP's or BTR equipped with ATGM's.
Except it isn't. At least on paper it isn't. Compared with the BMP-3 on paper the Marder has similar armor protection level. And that is if you compare a stock BMP-3 with the up armored Marder. BMP-3 can also be up armored and increase protection much further.
The difference in weight is aluminium vs steel chassis.
The difference in weight is aluminium vs steel chassis.
They are not junk but they are 40... it's a drip. We can say that multiple drips can fill a glass and Ukraine will receive multiple drips... but for god sake, they throw a mixed up bunch of drip that practically none have common parts and ammunitions. Sending them drip per drip to the front will achieve more or less nothing.
Maybe they will fill all of these mixed with amx, m113, t-55 and some remaining bmp2 and t-64 and wait for an occasion. At the good timing, do a push all together, emptying the ammo bin, the fuel and let them there after taking ground because their logistic is screwed and they will have another wave of mixed up stuff to repeat like that.
Yep that's the only way to pull something off.