The War in the Ukraine

Overbom said:

I mean, that sounds ridiculous. Because they didn't inflict many casualties doesn't mean that these weren't valid victories. Who said that only by inflicting more casualties it means you are victorious?

Plenty of battles and wars in history where the final victor had actually suffered more casualties than the opponent

This thread is still going strong I see with the copium notion of "inflict more casualties = victory"


You say what you want. I will tell you that come the negotiating phase, Ukrainians will thank their lucky stars that they managed to get all those territories freed from Russia. Meanwhile Putin will be banging his head on the wall for allowing Ukraine to get those back

"They are effectively useless" lol. Lets see what you will say when they start negotiating...

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true - there are plenty of wars in history where the victor suffered more casualties.

but the victor also is usually in a better position to make up losses.

. . This led them to several industrial innovations like very fast and cheap produced rather than much more expensive and slower to produce forged or milled components.

Meanwhile, 1950's China and 1970's Vietnam had median ages over 10 years younger than the US and fertility rates 3x higher.

Going to Ukraine, and seeing if it possesses the same properties that allowed Russia/China/Vietnam to prevail against the odds: does Ukraine have a bigger population than Russia? does it have a higher fertility rate than Russia? lower median age? is Ukraine known for industrial innovation and efficiency?

Mobilization in Ukraine, people are grabbed directly from the streets. The woman who took the video says they are handing out summonses:





Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar said that most of the Ukrainian army today is mobilized, that is, unprofessional military.

Temstar said:

I can see in comments under those videos some of the sells take both rubles and hryvnia. I like this comment:
"If Russians are buying knockoff Russian army plate carrier, does that mean it's no longer a knock off and is now genuine?"

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Some of those sellers that take orders from both side are saying Ukrainians are paying less, so they end up with lower quality stuff.

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A better question might be, if the knock-off plate carriers are of better quality than the original, does that make the originals the poor-quality knock offs?

It is also incredibly stupid for Ukraine to be ordering armour from commercial Chinese vendors, that’s basically asking to be ripped off.

If private Chinese vendors sell bad plates to Russians, Russia can complain to Chinese authorities and have a reasonable chance of getting justice and compensation. You think Chinese police would even take calls from Ukraine right now?

It would be the same as Russia trying to order night vision and other optics gear off of US companies. You think the US police would investigate if those companies took Russia’s money and just didn’t ship them anything?

Soldier30 said:

Ukrainian servicemen published a video of an attempt to leave the caponier of an armored personnel carrier M113. The video shows an American M113A1 armored personnel carrier of the Ukrainian army. This modification of the armored vehicle has been produced since 1964 and is equipped with a 6V-53 Detroit Diesel diesel engine with an HP 215 power.

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I found the track not aggressive enough to propel that box on water ? Did they have specialized track for country who use them to cross river or make landings?

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According to this video，Russia military has been ordering helmet and vest from Chinese private companies. And the helmet they ordered are cheap PE material grade，not Kevlar material grade

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I saw a video where a Russian soldier showed his helmet stopped a sniper's bullet but I didn't think it would matter until I saw this post. What exactly is this 'cheap PE' material?

SolarWarden said:

You left out the areas they have lost. Ukraine has taken back around 50% of what Russia took in the invasion. Russia has lost Kyiv and Kharkiv, basically the whole north east of Ukraine. Then they lost Izium, Lyman and the big one... Kherson. When Ukraine takes back its territory it takes it in huge chunks. Ever since Russia gave up the whole north east their gains have been a village here a village there.

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Difference is Russia retreated from those areas. Ukraine did not take any place by fighting. Russia retreated because they were overstretched. They did not plan for an invasion. They wanted to have regime change by showing they were serious. That is it. now they realized Ukraine is a complete puppet regime they changed their strategy. It is very simple really.

Tam said:

I saw a video where a Russian soldier showed his helmet stopped a sniper's bullet but I didn't think it would matter until I saw this post. What exactly is this 'cheap PE' material?

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PE is polyethylene, which to the average person sounds like your garden variety plastic used in everything including plastic bags. But the actual fibers used in bullet proof application is a specific type of polyethylene called ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene or UHMWPE. It has extremely long chain compared to regular every day PE (by several orders of magnitude) which gives it its great strength.

UHMWPE is a lot cheaper than Kevlar and lighter too, can float on water even. The catch is this material is non-trivial to make and only US, China and Netherlands have successfully commercialized it.

When you first pick up UHMWPE it doesn't feel all that different from everyday plastic and feels flimsy and not what you would expect to be bulletproof. I suspect that's why earlier on during the Russian mobilization the new troops thought they were getting some Chinese rubbish. But after seeing some action people started reporting that actually yes, those cheap plates from China really are legit bulletproof. Some Russian guy made a video saying the UHMWPE plates he got saved him twice in a month, first from 120mm mortar shell fragments then from a shot by 7.62x39mm and he takes back what he said earlier about them and now highly recommend them.

Another major benefit of PE is its multi-hit capabilities, which is potentially going to be a bit deal out in the field where replacement plates are hard to come by.

Ukrainian vehicle turned to Swiss cheese.


Polish supplied tank hit by ATGM.


Tos 1A doing its thermobaric thing.

Overbom said:

Just saw a reddit post with a photo of an alleged failed Russian offensive near Bachmut. 65 infantrymen all dead on open field. It seems like Ukrainian artillery did the job

They had no vehicles, it was just 65 soldiers on foot

Btw are we allowed to link to stuff like that under the spoiler tag? @LawLeadsToPeace

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Had to wade through so much Reddit trash to find this photo, and it just confirms what I initially thought upon first reading about the description - that it’s BS.

I find that as a general rule of thumb, if something doesn’t make sense, then usually it’s because it’s fake. Not necessarily the actual footage, but the description of what happened. This is the same as the other infamous incident where the Reddit crowd were circle-jerking each other about footage of a line of neatly lined up Russian dead laughing at how stupid they are to line up like that shortly before additional footage surfaced to show that was actually a war crime where surrendered troops where lined up and executed.

Not even the Ukrainians, who are far more wasteful of their men’s lives, and who have far far fewer armour, are sending troops to assault positions on foot without armour support, so it makes zero sense why the Russians would do that.

The dead in this picture was strung in a rough vertical line out in the open along a path, which is not how anyone attacks.

Everything about that picture points to a column of soldiers marching between locations getting caught by a MLRS barrage. Stupid, and probably avoidable, but also just one of those things that can easily happen in war no matter how well prepared and equipped.