The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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The Ukrainian army began to actively use the American FIM-92 Stinger DMS MANPADS with two launch containers. Previously, these units were received from Lithuania. In this case, Stinger DMS is used from an HMMWV armored vehicle. Installations are also used in a stationary version. The height of the destruction of targets by MANPADS FIM-92 is up to 3800 meters, at a distance of up to 8000 meters, if the missile is launched to catch up with the target, then up to 4750 meters. MANPADS Stinger has proven itself in many military conflicts. The cost of MANPADS Stinger is about 100 thousand dollars.


Point-blank battle of the T-80 tank in Ukraine. Video of the combat operation of the Russian T-80BVM tank in Ukraine. The T-80 tank is sent to help the blocked Russian group. The crew of the tank, risking, comes close to the positions of the Ukrainian army and begins to suppress the firing points. When retreating, they begin to fire at the tank from a heavy machine gun of a unit of the Ukrainian army.


Video of about 50 TM-62 anti-tank mines detonated on the road by the Ukrainian army. The TM-62 anti-tank mine was put into service in 1962, the explosive mass is 8 kilograms.


Rare footage has emerged of Ukrainian air defense attacks on the Russian Supercam S350 UAV. First, the Russian UAV was attacked by a missile, it flew past, then fire from anti-aircraft artillery was opened at the flying UAV. Despite the damage, the UAV continued to fly.


The state of multi-purpose army vehicles Iveco VM 90, sent from Italy as part of military assistance to Ukraine, is shown. According to an eyewitness, the cars are restored and sent to Ukraine. Army vehicles VM90 have been produced in Italy since 1978 in various modifications, more than 11,000 units were made in total, now Italy is selling them. The crew of the armored vehicle is 2 people and 4 paratroopers. Speed 100 km.h, cruising range 600 km. Armament: 1 machine gun caliber 7, 62mm, armor thickness 6mm.

 

tabu

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Correcton, the soldier use a grom, by reports the stinger cant intercept cruise missile.
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On Saturday, 22 October, the Ukrainian military used a Stinger man-portable air defence system to shoot down a Russian cruise missile in the Kiev region. The missile was launched by Russian aircraft from the vicinity of the city of Borisoglebsk.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Yeah, they are dumb - people simply don't understand that it takes a long time before you learn how to effectively operate such systems.
It is not just that.

A pansir cost is third of a fighter jet procurment price, means that for am F-35 price the USA would NOT be able to buy a single pantsir battalion, manufactured by the USA MIC.


So, saying that the Pantsir found on roadside with puncured tires can be used against Russian miliary by just droping in it is like saying if a person find an F-35 in the barn then he can fly it out of the box.
It is so mindblowingly expensive the owner will do everything that could be done to prevent the usage of it by adversaries.

Most likelly all Pantisr system could be disabled remotely, and to diable all safety the new owner most likelly has to spend extreme ammount of time and resources. More than to build a new system from scratch.


It is like the Russian made radios used by Ukraine in 2014, all of them was remotely disabled, they described it "like a virus that infecting all surrounding military radio receiver".
 

tabu

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That MANPADS missile went nowhere close the cruise missile. If it was a MANPADS which shot down the cruise missile it certainly wasn't that one. It is really, really hard to shoot down anything faster than a helicopter with such systems. He would have had to shoot at the cruise missile head on, not after it was past him.
No. All MANPADS are capable of shooting down cruise missiles. Especially the Stingers.
 

tabu

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The cameraman changed his position during launch, as realised he could be hit by the exhaust.
Means the angles and positions tricky to calculate.

However it was a near perfect engagement, and the operator had a 4-6 second window t olaunch the SAM.

If the oparator off axis by a km, like the other MANPADS guy whom missile missed , then the window would be 1-2 second if possible at all.


It means to protect a frontline with MANPADS require one team in every km, with high discipline, and in that case it will need only 2-3 missile to shoot down one Calibr.


Means to protect all border and the frontline require 4000-5000 manpads, with a weekly suply of 300 new missile.

I think it is the only successfull launch from hundreds, and most likelly now they can't use manpads do defeat missiles, becuase either they try to kill calibrs, or they protect the frontline from helicopters.
Yes, that's the second launch, second 2 shows the first missile missing
 

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tabu

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The cameraman changed his position during launch, as realised he could be hit by the exhaust.
Means the angles and positions tricky to calculate.

However it was a near perfect engagement, and the operator had a 4-6 second window t olaunch the SAM.

If the oparator off axis by a km, like the other MANPADS guy whom missile missed , then the window would be 1-2 second if possible at all.


It means to protect a frontline with MANPADS require one team in every km, with high discipline, and in that case it will need only 2-3 missile to shoot down one Calibr.


Means to protect all border and the frontline require 4000-5000 manpads, with a weekly suply of 300 new missile.

I think it is the only successfull launch from hundreds, and most likelly now they can't use manpads do defeat missiles, becuase either they try to kill calibrs, or they protect the frontline from helicopters.
The only successful launch out of HUNDREDS (*shocked*) ... and that's with a good dozen confirmed videos and several dozen unconfirmed ones?
Even an antiquated needle with its unserious muzzle load lands those subsonic CRs.

Stinger with three kg bh makes it even more likely.
Stinger's $65,000 versus the CR's $6.5 million. A hundred thousand dollar investment, and with the saved 750kV transformer, a two hundred thousand dollar investment.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The only successful launch out of HUNDREDS (*shocked*) ... and that's with a good dozen confirmed videos and several dozen unconfirmed ones?
Even an antiquated needle with its unserious muzzle load lands those subsonic CRs.

Stinger with three kg bh makes it even more likely.
Stinger's $65,000 versus the CR's $6.5 million. A hundred thousand dollar investment, and with the saved 750kV transformer, a two hundred thousand dollar investment.
?? If a Stinger is 65k, and you launch 100s of them... that's 6.5m for only a 100, 13m if we go up to 200 though.

Doesn't necessarily get that cost effective if the above is the case.
 
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