The War in the Ukraine

RottenPanzer

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Meanwhile the usual war of figures has begun...

They may not have shot down 54 cruisers, but it seems to me that the Russians are putting together fewer and fewer missiles for their bi-weekly 'saturation' attacks. I think it's beginning to become apparent that they now fire the ones they can produce. And anyway, they also shoot them down with manpads, which is probably the most cost effective method if you can get a number of back-up systems around sensitive targets.

Probably shot down one of its decoy tbf.
It hits a different trajectory than the cruise missile ones
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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That's my question to you, can you see it? Did you actually see the manpad rocket hit the cruise missile?

The second post is at least believable but doesn't look like it was the same site. Can you confirm it was a manpad missile and not a SAM in the second one?
What ist the difference between a Man Portable Air Defense System (MANPAD) and a SAM? I always thought a MANPAD is a kind of surface-to-air missile (SAM).
MANPAD's are SAM's just so you know since SAM is just an umbrella term for all surface to air missiles.
 

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What ist the difference between a Man Portable Air Defense System (MANPAD) and a SAM? I always thought a MANPAD is a kind of surface-to-air missile (SAM).
A MANPAD is a SAM, just a short-ranged, and usually hand-held missile.
 

SAC

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MANPADs are usually found at Ground Force Company and Battalion level to provide point defence. As they are simpler to use, and lighter, also common for irregular forces. Also, they have a lower engagement altitude so particularly useful against helicopters and low-flying aircraft, but unable to hit aircraft at medium or higher altitudes.
 

generalmeng

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Meanwhile the usual war of figures has begun...

They may not have shot down 54 cruisers, but it seems to me that the Russians are putting together fewer and fewer missiles for their bi-weekly 'saturation' attacks. I think it's beginning to become apparent that they now fire the ones they can produce. And anyway, they also shoot them down with manpads, which is probably the most cost effective method if you can get a number of back-up systems around sensitive targets.

I doubt the authenticity of this video. The explosion seem too big for a madpad. Madpad have a very small warhead. This explosion look like a SAM.
 

Tam

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Ukrainian tank at Optyny firing at Wagner forces. With the video being a Russian POV, the camera would be from a fixed point and within Opytny, putting Wagner well within Opytny. The transcript mentioned the tank attack repulsed but the video didn't cover that.


DPR forces firing Kornets at Ukrainian positions. The Kornets, while an ATGM, is proving to be a highly versatile weapon.

 

Anlsvrthng

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Meanwhile the usual war of figures has begun...

They may not have shot down 54 cruisers, but it seems to me that the Russians are putting together fewer and fewer missiles for their bi-weekly 'saturation' attacks. I think it's beginning to become apparent that they now fire the ones they can produce. And anyway, they also shoot them down with manpads, which is probably the most cost effective method if you can get a number of back-up systems around sensitive targets.

Very interesting video, and looks real.

Timinig is OK, the operator was under the missile as it flyby, launched the SAM at sec, explosion around 8-9 sec, it is the real times for an on tai lengagement.

If the interceptor twice as fast as the target then as many second passed since the closes aproach until the launch will be required to hit the target.


Problem is , most likelly every succesfull interception require at least 3, possibly 5 launch.


And to have enought MANPADS to make a screen, it require at least 1000 launcher to make a credible filter on one side, I think it is safe to assume Ukraine would need 4000 MANPADS at minimum, and a weekly 200 replenishment.

Required trained operators, without proper training the stock will be depleted in weeks time.


Means again, the full Stinger stock of the USArequired to cover Ukraine needs.

Correcton, the soldier use a grom, by reports the stinger cant intercept cruise missile.

So , ukraine needs fewthousand grom, as it stand.
 
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gelgoog

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That MANPADS missile went nowhere close the cruise missile. If it was a MANPADS which shot down the cruise missile it certainly wasn't that one. It is really, really hard to shoot down anything faster than a helicopter with such systems. He would have had to shoot at the cruise missile head on, not after it was past him.
 
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