The Ukranan S-300 more capable than the patriot.
The intrduction of it means the ukranain air deffence seriously degraded.
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The intrduction of it means the ukranain air deffence seriously degraded.
If Russia was not able to deal with weapon systems of its own design, what gives you the confidence that they would do any better against a modern Western system?
If Ukraine receives the PAAC-4 with 250km range Stunner missiles, which is what the formidable David's Sling uses, Russia will be in for a lot of hurt. Add to that the AN/MPQ-65A GaN AESA and Russia will be up against a qualitatively different threat. The only saving grace is that Ukraine will get just one battery.
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250km is the max possible range. Usually this imply the target is not maneuvering, and traveling directly at the missile in a straight line at max March speed (fat tu 95 bomber). The practical range is not 250km, likely 100km or even less. Keep in mind the missile is traveling in the most dense air, against gravity, from complete stop, VS a jet in less dense air, with a high speed already, and highly maneuverable. Patriot will likely only cover Kiev, us won't be able to give enough to cover anything more than just Kiev.
It was commented on Twitter that the US would only be delivering one Patriot battery in the near future. NATO has yet to train Ukrainian personnel to operate the Patriot and this battery will most likely be deployed in western Ukraine with a Polish crew.
From a Washington Post article:
From a Washington Post article:
You make the next assumptions, based on pure propaganda / marketing documentation:
1. USA could show better performance against the Ukrainan air defence.
2. The modern western systems superior to the improved soviet systems that Ukraine has
3. the long rangem missile will make difference
4. the GaN X band radar makes any difference in the system performance
Each of the above line needs a bit more analysis than a 5 line post.
High altitude maybe, but well Performance against cruise missile will be of no different to S-300's Maybe bit worse as Patriot have no option for a Mast mounted radar ala 40V6M.
But are you sure tho they will get such late system instead of more modest AN/MPQ-53 and PAC-2 missile maybe a GEM-T one. ?
I am amazed by the confidence of everyone about the Patiot.
Basic performance differences :
-patriot use hot launch, wiht angled launcher, S-300 use cold launch, with veritcal launcher. Means the S-300 can react faster and in 360 degree without performance degradation.
-Patriot use single radar on X band for all function, S-300 use in the most basic configuration two radar, one S band for search and tracking an X band for illumination/targeting. And the radar cover 360 degree.
And we haven't covered the maturity / certification level of both system.
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Patriot’s MFR operates at C-band as a compromise for combining search/track/engage in a single radar.
Based on what I heard, Ukraine’s chief concern is effective ABM defense and that’s where PAC-3 should fit in nicely with up to 16 missiles per launcher. PAAC-4 is just speculation on my part.
While the Patriot comes with a single organic radar, it has demonstrated network centric capability with missile cuing by external radars like AN/TPY-2. The former, when placed in eastern Poland or the Baltics can see deep into Russia thanks to its near 2000km range, which is more than sufficient to track and engage SRBMs.
Starting with this year, the US is introducing a new 360 degree radar called LTAMDS to its Patriot battalions.
According to Missile Threat, Patriot has logged 177 intercepts of (ballistic) missiles in the Yemen war by September 2020:
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They can donate the Patriot, but it may not be deployed right now in Ukraine, it could in theory be used as a training unit for Ukrainian officers until they complete Operation and Maintenance training on a Patriot. It is reported by Politico that the Ukrainians will be trained at a base in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, which according to sources is an appropriate base for training because most of the instructors and many simulators are based there.